From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/6898 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rolleston Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: Showing Complete Active Threads Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:50:17 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87acc1uya8.fsf@baldur.nicundtas.de> <87acc0bu36.fsf@baldur.nicundtas.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1141851404 1851 80.91.229.2 (8 Mar 2006 20:56:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 08 21:56:34 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FH5ge-0000WE-06 for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:55:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FH5gd-0005sJ-ED for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:55:11 -0500 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.2 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ksuig0ccpxLaPNIH2D1DO89IFA4= Original-Lines: 69 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.42.188.216 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com Original-X-Trace: 8 Mar 2006 20:50:41 GMT, mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.belwue.de!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed2.ip.tiscali.net!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.gnus:77082 Original-To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:6898 Archived-At: Tassilo Horn writes: > Rolleston writes: > >> Somewhat suboptimal, I'd say, as it seems to often try to receive >> every available header. > > Sorry, I cannot follow you here. What do you mean with that it often > tries to receive every available header? It attempts to download every header it can from the news server. Try that on 'alt.test' and you'll begin to see why (setq gnus-fetch-old-headers t) is a bad idea. :) >> M-u >> M-: (setq gnus-fetch-old-headers t) >> >> We leap out of the summary buffer, and dive back in again: >> >> O 08 Mar 06:07 Showing Complete Active Threads Rolleston >> 08 Mar 08:38 \-> Tassilo Horn >> >> Hmmph! What's going on here? > > Isn't that the behaviour you were looking for? Well, yes, but without downloading every header (in some cases). Of course, using a value of 1000 rather than, say, t, will mean that some old threads may be loose, but most of the recent ones should be fine. > BTW: I use > > (setq gnus-fetch-old-headers 'some) > > which fetches only those old headers needed to prevent loose threads > (all old headers till a common parent article is found). That's more > concise and expresses this thread's structure as well. Sounds good. If only it worked! :) Let's try it: 08 Mar 19:43 Re: Showing Complete Active Threads Tassilo Horn Once again, just the header for the last article in the thread. I've beenrummaging around in Google Groups again, and found this: http://tinyurl.com/lects I'm beginning to wonder if the gnus-fetch-old-headers option is fundamentally broken, and has been so for years. Ok, how about another approach? Perhaps I could just download, say, the most recent 200 headers each time a group is entered, scoring the active threads in such a way that they are most prominent. I think scores will help here, but I'm not completely sure. There's quite a bit about scores in the manual, but I can't seem to find a section that describes how scores are used or why they are important. It would be rather strange to go to so much trouble talking about scores without saying what they can be used for, so perhaps I'm missing something completely obvious amongst the 457 manual pages. Am I? Your help is much appreciated. Thanks again, R.