From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/5189 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?S=E9bastien?= Kirche Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: archive of sent messages: how to get to appear in Group buffer? Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 17:30:51 +0200 Organization: Aucune. 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I did not know I had created a server with these commands, > I thought I had created a group (or set of groups) on localhost (as > server, although I did not think that far) and they would > auto-magically appear. You are absolutely right, doing ^ shows me > > {nnfolder:archive} (opened) > {nndoc:gnus-help} (opened) > {nnfolder:} (opened) > {nndir:edu} (denied) > {nnfolder:sent-mail} (opened) > {nnml:} (opened) > {nntp:news.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp} (opened) (agent) > > which includes a couple of erroneous servers from previous > attempts. The nnfolder:sent-mail 'server' contains: > > K 1: sent-to-martial-arts > K 3: sent-to-misc > K 1: sent-to-naval > > which I promptly subscribed too. You can also directly add a new server (eg. nntp or nnimap backends) and subscribe several groups in it directly instead of adding each group separately from the group buffer with G m It will add the groups in mass with the group buffer, and you can after reorder them with transpose (C-x C-t) or killing/yanking. > I will have to edit .newsrc.eld as you advised in your reply to my > other query, to remove the erroneous entries. The whole process > appears a bit opaque to me still, where to look for things I created > is easier though now, thanks to your advice. Actually the normal way of deleting a server is to go to the server buffer and to use the k key to kill the server. But sometimes gnus complains that it cannot suppress it. Not sure of the actual reason, maybe if there are some subscribed groups ? > Nice work, I learnt a lot looking at your .gnus file. Beware of the fact it is kind of work in progress and that some parts are experimental :) My Emacs/Gnus configuration is still in a long tuning process since I started to use them 2-3 years ago. Dunno if there will be an end :) > Looks like you decided not to define archive method, but specify nnml > groups directly. So gnus generates these for you when yo need them? Yes, i have several existing Mail-sent/200x-xx and News-sent/200x-xx folders including 2005-06, and on the first time i will send a mail or an article in July, it will create the corresponding 2005-07 folder (without asking). Also if you try eg. to copy an article to a non-existing nnml or nnfolder, lets say nnml+some_stuff:a_group, gnus will ask about creating it. > And then in your secondary sources you specify these archives as being > part of server nnml:archives (if I have the idea and terminology > correct). You also need to enter the server buffer to subscribe to > these new groups? No, until now, it automagicaly subscribes to the newly created groups at the top of the list, and I manually move them to the right topic. > As for nnfolder:archive, I think maybe this does not exist, if you did > not define archive method... It appeared during my attempts that if you don't define an archive method at all, gnus do adds an nnfolder:archive server. Not sure if it is unconditionally or only while archiving the first message. I tried several ways for having an nnml archive backend at a given place and with a given name instead of an nnfolder one in the Mail folder (I plan to configure Remembrance Agent for indexing my sent mails thus I need a one-file-per-message backend) and the working method i found is - creating the nnml server in the gnus-secondary-select-methods and specifying the nnml-directory - unseting the gnus-message-archive-method (it make gnus creating a nnfolder:archive) - defining the gnus-message-archive-group to split the archives following the date Maybe it is not the best method, but several gnus concepts about the cache, the active files, nnml and nnfolder backend that were unclear for me as i tried to configure it. Now I am more familiar about how to create a nnml folder, how to import some foreign mails or how to reindex nnfolders and rebuild content of a server. Just don't know why some server sometime automagicaly appear and why gnus cannot delete them and makes me editing the .newsrc.eld file. > Thank you very much, your files are a study in progress for me now! Glad to be able to help someone :) Emacs/Gnus deserve sharing of the knowledge. -- Sébastien Kirche