From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/8538 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: kai@emptydomain.de (Kai =?utf-8?Q?Gro=C3=9Fjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: Email reader - anything newer/better than gnus Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:14:45 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1169075713 22951 80.91.229.12 (17 Jan 2007 23:15:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 18 00:15:11 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H7Jzl-0002e6-O4 for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:15:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H7Jzm-0005Of-3P for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:15:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H7Jzj-0005OB-Gk for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:15:03 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H7Jzh-0005MJ-LT for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:15:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H7Jzh-0005MD-Fr for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:15:01 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1H7Jzh-0004FD-69 for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:15:01 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1H7JzX-0005UF-Kc for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:14:52 +0100 Original-Received: from p5090bc99.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.144.188.153]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:14:51 +0100 Original-Received: from kai by p5090bc99.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:14:51 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Original-Lines: 53 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5090bc99.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.92 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:F3CsA0dCoy9yN7BYRXgj3NUd60Y= X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:8538 Archived-At: I think there are not that many Emacs email readers: Rmail Gnus MH-E VM MEW Wanderlust Richard uses Rmail, AFAIK, so it must be able to handle really large amounts of mail. MH-E is an MH (or nmh) frontend; perhaps it's cool that you can also use command line tools to manipulate your mail. Others have mentioned things about MEW and Wanderlust and VM. Besides Emacs, I've tried Thunderbird and Opera recently. Thunderbird is nice because it is extensible and can be configured for almost sane keybindings. (I like the quickfile add-on, it is better than B m in Gnus.) Another nice feature is that it shows HTML formatted mail close to the way the sender intended, and at one point I got a lot of that with weird fonts and colors, all semantically relevant. ("Find my comments inline in orange." Outlook uses...) Opera is cool because it allows you to treat mail so differently than you are used to. It maintains a fulltext index at all times, allowing you really quick access to it, and that gives you a totally different way of working with mail. It also contains learning filters that automatically folder your mail for you. (Think of a Bayesian spam filter, applied to all folders.) Another admirable feat is speed: I entered a folder with 30,000 (!) messages in it and it was instantaneous! (Displaying the equivalent of the Gnus summary buffer was instantaneous, to be precise.) After using Opera, I knew that having to move messages into folders sucks. However, Opera is not free (libre). Some day, there will be similar features in Gnus. (For searching, there is gnus-namazu and also nnir, but they are different from the Opera support. For learning auto-foldering (in Gnus speak, splitting), see ifile. I vaguely remember having seen gnus-ifile.el somewhere...) Does anyone have a solution for rendering HTML mail? emacs-w3m works great for some of it, but not if font size and color (and background images!¹) are semantically relevant. Kai ¹ Once I got an email just saying "Regards, Peter" (as if it was the footer of a message without the preceding text). I saved the HTML and displayed it in Firefox, then discovered that the background image was intended to convey "thank you".