From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/18399 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Rainer M Krug Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: nnir-notmuch-engine setup with gnus/offlineimap/dovecot Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:56:08 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87vaxndwe6.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4568420513825833190==" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1475240201 22619 195.159.176.226 (30 Sep 2016 12:56:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:56:41 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (darwin) Cc: info-gnus-english@gnu.org To: Dave Abrahams Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 30 14:56:36 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bpxMW-0003zc-DX for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:56:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44310 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bpxMU-00067G-Vk for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:56:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51593) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bpxMQ-00062L-T5 for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:56:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bpxML-0000AG-KY for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:56:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.134]:56514) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bpxML-000081-61 for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:56:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Rainers-MacBook-Pro.local ([88.186.171.7]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LkGC3-1bEQsb1grL-00cMij; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:56:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Dave Abrahams's message of "Fri, 30 Sep 2016 04:44:39 -0700") X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:HSZXgccTtueFsBROsIzvP06L08ThkpNhTDPrPU/pIdLb5Yot74U UCPH35e3YZHPOccICI6mLjwpRqSbz+DJANkFQoEni1jv5XscfEdXoUV9rPt30VUCzeniFC5 unO81hpJ5n3gWEmHSPcYqfPgcP5LOvUQBI8sLEqvcx+HQlL6dyc7ahJPRRHOFgmug1n72vY +bKszY2sCXXPD4GtmhRNw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:NlnxdQeBLdI=:O80nuiWE74Uekfo9oozXSD IKEAZyk26Sgc+DbcBtzy7D9jpXsY20jsELogGUyKzd3QTgWG11G0qyvl9cBSGgihnDmFXjbQg yD/rP2GOjab2R+hLKcGxoAG++8morkvpMXNSgdOtmeFMWxzECPw9Nm1EtsNzkhiciqzBjQ95K CJTJshMZrFqy9sG1MiB/o9CBeWwacsrMjvWjReQGfXz4dSn7Fm35idfjRU7nQbjaQeO3WR5gV YvsOnA4R4SYEef1yMM3VzAdAjyxl8Dch7Bx2PTf0UdiE2nNpcw5A2CvR9itfMqx76qZtW82UN /yXgzh026CP9MXlCFiH/6jHv49IAMAhDL/T5t5lEisx24KoBL4cFqhMTHrCRSAsb5vk9MDjGc +QHtmlNW1ZXasFjH6pKThZEzaOyG9hdesn6OIpgz/8qRWXaa07gPN+JVnWRsqEKviM0OFeoRC Zo8H18uMaOZWWdrE03gBmSQ3dJJp6Xo+VcVtqlx01zvkjOwTlq4gFOw3tKD0TSBoMIgvqId5b +TA2vFiqvgHz21hv+KHKVy7RW0AT4Cx+7SgPKmSXnrfU0BCROkEYS7PtsUgMXBBxXrZP0216A itFBdJ6uAMe274pQIXnsu4lmLCNRrbLaK/IAlbAFkhOGzZzmj5Yn2/xvxoxDt0X6W9QEUfyMj IM0QLcXW7Kl9EGrCCTofgBu9Cv2mrqr7tTKbWPThdzCZ0rMxNRLFL6ihtsY4+q+Y5AQU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.134 X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "info-gnus-english" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:18399 Archived-At: --===============4568420513825833190== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave Abrahams writes: > on Thu Sep 29 2016, Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> Dave Abrahams writes: >> >>> on Fri Sep 23 2016, Rainer M Krug wrote: >>> >>>> Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>>>> Most discussions on this topic point to >>>>>> http://roland.entierement.nu/blog/2010/09/08/gnus-dovecot-offlineima= p-search-a-howto.html >>>>>> >>>>>> The name implies that this may be exactly what I want, but the >>>>>> link appears to be dead now. I get an empty page when I try to >>>>>> view it. >>>> >>>> I am using exactly the same setup, except that I am using >>>> >>>> ,---- >>>> | (nnimap-shell-program "/usr/local/opt/dovecot/libexec/dovecot/imap -= o mail_location=3Dmaildir:$HOME/Maildir"))) >>>> `---- >>>> >>>> to access my local mail and I don't have a dovecot daemon running >>>> permanently. >>> >>> Yes. Other things that work really well in a setup like that are: >>> >>> 1. Using dovecot's mdbox storage format, which is much more efficient >> >> There is, among others, one reason why I don't use mbox format: >> backup. If I add an email to a folder, the whole mbox file will be >> backed up - in the case of maildir, only the new mail file. This saves >> backup space, especially as I am using a Mac and Time Machine which is >> doing hourly backups. > > Not mbox; mdbox. I've used this setup on a mac with network TM for a > long time. OK - sorry. > >>> 2. Building dovecot with clucene and stemmer support for search >> >> Does this really work with nnimap-shell-program? I thought one has to >> use the dovecot daemon for this? > > Yes, it works. Feel free to scrape http://github.com/onmsg/onmsg for det= ails > and ask me questions for more. There's a script in there that I use to > install (most of) this setup with homebrew. Thanks - will look into this. > >>> >>> 3. Using mbsync from the isync project (scales much better than >>> offlineimap IMO, though I am about to try dropping it because doveadm >>> sync is already part of dovecot) >> >> offlineimap works for me - and never change a running system (well - >> that's the theory). > > I don't suppose you're syncing any really large folders then? Among > other things I found doing it all through Python was causing way > much CPU usage on my Macbook pro. Hm - I am syncing my All Mail folder as well (1.3GB - just checked), so eve= rything double, I am not using idle, just every two minutes fast sync and every 10 minutes normal sync - is not really that heavy on my Macbook Pro Retina. OK - If I am waiting for a sync it is not fast - but what is when you are waiting... > >> Interesting - didn't know about doveadm sync - any experiences with >> it? > > Not yet. > >> How does it compare to isync and offlineimap? > > I'm not really in a position to comment yet; I've just skimmed the > output of doveadm help sync. OK. Thanks for the info, Rainer > >>> >>>>> >>>>> The Internet Archive Wayback Machine comes to your aid :-) >>>>> >>>>> http://wayback.archive.org/web/20160305042051/http://roland.entiereme= nt.nu/blog/2010/09/08/gnus-dovecot-offlineimap-search-a-howto.html >>>>> >>>>> (I have no idea whether this page is in fact helpful though.) >>>> >>>> This link is helpful, but it did not actually help with getting the >>>> search to work. There was another discy=3Dussion abl=3Dout using lucen= e in >>>> dovecot for the search, but as you, I would prefer notmuch search. >>>> >>>> I have simply defined a shortcut for me to do the search - much >>>> easier. You could even rebiung GG ? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Rainer >>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> info-gnus-english mailing list >>>>> info-gnus-english@gnu.org >>>>> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english =2D-=20 Rainer M. 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