From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/6972 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rodolfo Medina Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:43:19 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87slownfqt.fsf@anfi.homeunix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1144086073 7558 80.91.229.2 (3 Apr 2006 17:41:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 03 19:41:10 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQT2Q-0004vC-TY for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:40:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQT2Q-0005XR-Aj for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:40:26 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.freenet.de!news.germany.com!news.belwue.de!LF.net!quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Original-Lines: 90 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.201.214.75 Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1144085165 9054 217.201.214.75 (3 Apr 2006 17:26:05 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:26:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ie1oMs4dPm9bXQ2MBz/f73ckWUI= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.gnus:77155 Original-To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:6972 Archived-At: Rodolfo Medina writes: >>> Some old messages sent to the present newsgroup >>> are not accessible, it seems, if I search for them via >>> nntp server, whereas they're seen through web interface >>> and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list. >>> How come? David Z Maze writes: >> Because even just "current" news is a huge disk space and bandwidth >> consumer, so it's standard practice for news servers to only keep >> around a small amount of recent history (maybe the past month) and >> expire articles beyond that. If you have infinite disk space and >> bandwidth than it's reasonable to archive all of Usenet (hi, Google >> Groups); if you're only archiving a specific group than the >> requirements become much more reasonable. I just want to fetch via gnus some old articles I posted some time ago, now that I've just really started using Gnus. David: >> I know you can use Gnus to preserve specific articles, and you can >> probably combine an nntp group and a Web archive for historical >> purposes, but I don't know details on either off hand. Andrzej Adam Filip writes: > Take a look at the group archive: > http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/msg/45694c47fa0b026a > subject: backfill of usenet postings > > The post quotes: > info "(gnus)Finding the Parent" Thanks for your replies. Andrzej, your indication seems very interesting: I put in my ~/.gnus.el the stuff reported in the info: (setq gnus-refer-article-method '(current (nnweb "google" (nnweb-type google)))) , then in the nntp+news.gnus.org:gnu.emacs.gnus summary buffer I did 'M-^' and entered the Message-ID I was looking for; I waited for a while for gnus to search into google, then the message: Opening nnweb server on google...done Loading url-auth...done Contacting host: www.google.com:80 Loading url-cache...done Contacting host: groups.google.com:80 Trying again (2)... Contacting host: www.google.com:80 Requested article not found Generating summary...done Fetched article <97a048c6.0409120237.7ad4c627@posting.google.com> No such article (may have expired or been canceled) Contacting host: groups.google.com:80 . Should I give it up and accept the defeat? But I insist that the article is present in Google archives, at: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/browse_thread/thread/6bb69dcdf1548e17/10c9d5f223a33d19?q=medina&rnum=4#10c9d5f223a33d19 , and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list, here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnus-english/2004-09/msg00114.html , so it *can't* be really expired or canceled, and there *must* (or should) be a way to fetch it via gnus. Other toughts/suggestions? Cheers, Rodolfo