Email reader - anything newer/better than gnus

Email reader - anything newer/better than gnus

[Torben Knudsen]

Hello, any help on the following will be appreciated

I am returning to university and emacs after some years.  Now I am
considering what to use for email.  Right now I use gnus on a unix/Sun
server, I find it a bit complicated.  All other work I have planned to
do on a Dell D620 with Ubuntu.  So a Linux/Ubuntu solution is what I
go fore.

My priorities are:
1. I must read mail
2. I use emacs for many things so a emacs solution is best
3. A calendar and to-do list integrated is nice
4. Synchronization with mobile telephone would be good
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Associate Prof. Ph.D Torben Knudsen	Phone	: (+45) 9635 8670
Section of Automation and Control,	Email	: tk@es.aau.dk
Department of Electronic Systems,
Aalborg University 
Fredrik Bajersvej 7 
DK-9220 Aalborg Ø
Denmark 

Re: Email reader - anything newer/better than gnus

[Gian Uberto Lauri]

>>>>> "TK" == Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk> writes:

TK> My priorities are: 1. I must read mail 2. I use emacs for many
TK> things so a emacs solution is best 3. A calendar and to-do list
TK> integrated is nice 4. Synchronization with mobile telephone would
TK> be good 

1) You can try vm, but gets slow with large mailboxes. 

2) as root: apt-cache search emacs; apt-get install (whatever you want)

3) emacs calendar and dyary do import and export iCal files, and that
   could be used with cellphones.
   As for the to-do list, go and check on Emacs Wiki :)

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Re: Email reader - anything newer/better than gnus

[Petter Gustad]

Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk> writes:

> My priorities are:
> 1. I must read mail

I've been using Mew (www.mew.org) for quite a few years. Unfortunately
I haven't compared it to anything else, but I'm very happy with it. At
home I'm using it against my POP/SMTP server. At work I'm using it
against an IMAP server.


Petter
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Re: Email reader - anything newer/better than gnus

[Leo]

On 2007-01-17, Torben Knudsen said:

> Hello, any help on the following will be appreciated
...
> My priorities are:
> 1. I must read mail
> 2. I use emacs for many things so a emacs solution is best
> 3. A calendar and to-do list integrated is nice
> 4. Synchronization with mobile telephone would be good

Since you are already using Gnus, it is better just staying with
it. Save some time getting used to another set of key-bindings etc.

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Re: Email reader - anything newer/better than gnus

[Felix E. Klee]

At 17 Jan 2007 12:03:29 +0100,
Torben Knudsen wrote:
> [email client for EMACS]

Have a look at Wanderlust:

  http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/WanderLust

I use it extensively for email and news.  It's fast and very elegant.
One of its strengths is very good IMAP support.

It can interface with some external tools such as MHC (a calendar) and
BBDB (a contact database) but I've close to no experience with this
functionality.

-- 
Felix E. Klee

Re: Email reader - anything newer/better than gnus

[Kai Großjohann]

I think there are not that many Emacs email readers:

Rmail
Gnus
MH-E
VM
MEW
Wanderlust

Richard uses Rmail, AFAIK, so it must be able to handle really large
amounts of mail.  MH-E is an MH (or nmh) frontend; perhaps it's cool
that you can also use command line tools to manipulate your mail.

Others have mentioned things about MEW and Wanderlust and VM.

Besides Emacs, I've tried Thunderbird and Opera recently.  Thunderbird
is nice because it is extensible and can be configured for almost sane
keybindings.  (I like the quickfile add-on, it is better than B m in
Gnus.)  Another nice feature is that it shows HTML formatted mail
close to the way the sender intended, and at one point I got a lot of
that with weird fonts and colors, all semantically relevant.  ("Find
my comments inline in orange."  Outlook uses...)

Opera is cool because it allows you to treat mail so differently than
you are used to.  It maintains a fulltext index at all times, allowing
you really quick access to it, and that gives you a totally different
way of working with mail.  It also contains learning filters that
automatically folder your mail for you.  (Think of a Bayesian spam
filter, applied to all folders.)  Another admirable feat is speed: I
entered a folder with 30,000 (!) messages in it and it was
instantaneous!  (Displaying the equivalent of the Gnus summary buffer
was instantaneous, to be precise.)

After using Opera, I knew that having to move messages into folders
sucks.  However, Opera is not free (libre).

Some day, there will be similar features in Gnus.

(For searching, there is gnus-namazu and also nnir, but they are
different from the Opera support.  For learning auto-foldering (in
Gnus speak, splitting), see ifile.  I vaguely remember having seen
gnus-ifile.el somewhere...)

Does anyone have a solution for rendering HTML mail?  emacs-w3m works
great for some of it, but not if font size and color (and background
images!¹) are semantically relevant.

Kai

¹ Once I got an email just saying "Regards, Peter" (as if it was the
  footer of a message without the preceding text).  I saved the HTML
  and displayed it in Firefox, then discovered that the background
  image was intended to convey "thank you".

Rendering HTML mail (was: Email reader - anything newer/better than gnus)

[Reiner Steib]

On Thu, Jan 18 2007, Kai Großjohann wrote:

> Does anyone have a solution for rendering HTML mail?  emacs-w3m works
> great for some of it, but not if font size and color (and background
> images!¹) are semantically relevant.

Did you try `K H' / <Article> <MIME> <Multipart> <View HTML parts in
browser> (in No Gnus; documentation is missing, IIRC)?

,----[ <f1> f gnus-article-browse-html-article RET ]
| gnus-article-browse-html-article is an interactive Lisp function in
| `gnus-art.el'.
| (gnus-article-browse-html-article)
| 
| View "text/html" parts of the current article with a WWW browser.
| 
| Warning: Spammers use links to images in HTML articles to verify
| whether you have read the message.  As
| `gnus-article-browse-html-article' passes the unmodified HTML
| content to the browser without eliminating these "web bugs" you
| should only use it for mails from trusted senders.
`----

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Re: Rendering HTML mail

[Kai Großjohann]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> On Thu, Jan 18 2007, Kai Großjohann wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a solution for rendering HTML mail?  emacs-w3m works
>> great for some of it, but not if font size and color (and background
>> images!¹) are semantically relevant.
>
> Did you try `K H' / <Article> <MIME> <Multipart> <View HTML parts in
> browser> (in No Gnus; documentation is missing, IIRC)?

`K H' is très cool.  I had to change browse-url-browser-function from
w3m to Firefox to let it have any effect, though :-)

Thanks a lot for this hint!

Kai

Re: Email reader - anything newer/better than gnus

[Ted Zlatanov]

On 17 Jan 2007, kai@emptydomain.de wrote:

> Some day, there will be similar features in Gnus.
>
> (For searching, there is gnus-namazu and also nnir, but they are
> different from the Opera support.  For learning auto-foldering (in
> Gnus speak, splitting), see ifile.  I vaguely remember having seen
> gnus-ifile.el somewhere...)

The gnus-registry does a good job (IMO) of catching references and
message subjects, and moving messages to the folder where those
references and message subjects went before.  It's not learning, but
it follows the user's command.

I think actual "smart" sorting of mail is dangerous.  You could end up
with misclassified mail, which is annoying (very much like
misclassified ham/spam, except it's not a binary choice so it's harder
to make).  Anyhow, spam.el had some support for ifile, but there must
be a better solution.  gnus-ifile.el hasn't been updated in a long
time.

Ted

Re: Email reader - anything newer/better than gnus

[Torben Knudsen]

Thanks for all the good suggestions.  I have had a look on Mew and the
todo modes.  I will probably try them sometime.  For now I have to
little time and will therefore stay with gnus.

I have gnus working on a Sun machine but i can't get it to send from a
PC with Ubuntu.  I will make a new posting with that problem.
-- 
Associate Prof. Ph.D Torben Knudsen	Phone	: (+45) 9635 8670
Section of Automation and Control,	Email	: tk@es.aau.dk
Department of Electronic Systems,
Aalborg University 
Fredrik Bajersvej 7 
DK-9220 Aalborg Ø
Denmark 

Re: Email reader - anything newer/better than gnus

[Tassilo Horn]

Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk> writes:

Hi Torben,

> Thanks for all the good suggestions.  I have had a look on Mew and the
> todo modes.  I will probably try them sometime.  For now I have to
> little time and will therefore stay with gnus.

Why don't you just update your emacs/gnus? The newer versions are much
"newer/better than _your_ gnus". ;-)

Bye,
Tassilo
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