From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/11814 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Francis Moreau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: What's a killed article ? Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:17:06 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <878wqx82hp.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87prk74tx9.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <86ej0mldi7.fsf@lifelogs.com> <864p1ek6up.fsf@lifelogs.com> <877i6a7da1.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87k5a03l8e.fsf@kobe.laptop> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1231501346 28226 80.91.229.12 (9 Jan 2009 11:42:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:42:26 +0000 (UTC) To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 09 12:43:37 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LLFll-0002Nx-TD for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:43:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46636 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LLFkV-00045d-QQ for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:41:59 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!news.skynet.be!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!news.motzarella.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Original-Lines: 46 Original-X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX18LIvvxAPxYTPkHw/bZyQ5QmyGhTaF766SjfoYpWCa22ulelkNKCDFPmvSAf9bjkwFmrvv9LT4Pvkpd6+vGHDijfW3qPNgrbWO1gSGYZTQ9jm+SLyS+3dUGgJKioX+8FPU= Original-X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse@motzarella.org with full headers Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:17:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/U87wkKoGboFXSXJW8s3NocTJ7nei1pk4= Cancel-Lock: sha1:DkggMmYTc8tWlVK9MoSkU8JZCgw= sha1:s9NnzUl8veEE6DUQGLVLwvMp6cA= User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.gnus:82076 X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:11814 Archived-At: harven writes: [...] > - GNUS-SECONDARY-SELECT-METHODS > and gnus-select-method. A single select method but many secondary > methods ? Why differentiate ? Is it correct to put a mail group > as the primary method ? I definitely agree. And the sad thing is that this part is almost the first thing the user is going to read when using gnus for the first time and is confusing. In my understanding (mostly based on experiments) groups which belongs to the primary server (the one given by gnu-select-method) can be retrieved from another news server later. You just need to change the server from gnus-select-method or by starting gnus with 'C-u M-x gnus' (which is a bad idea actually, see later). IOW these groups aren't stick to one server. In contrary groups which belong to secondary servers (given by gnus-secondary-select-methods) include the server name in their names. So they can not be opened from different servers later. This difference seems really useless: it gave me totaly disaster results when I tried to swithc the primary server with 'C-u M-x gnus' and get back to my initial server: all articles were marked as unread. Even worse I set (display . all) on all these groups but gnus seems to ignore it now... Whereas the gnus doc, it says: ,---- | A slightly different approach to foreign groups is to set the | `gnus-secondary-select-methods' variable. The select methods listed in | this variable are in many ways just as native as the | `gnus-select-method' server. They will also be queried for active `---- note the "in may ways just as native as the...", which sounds totaly useless since we still don't know what the differences are. Of course all of this is from a gnus dumb user... -- Francis