* Re: How to use Maildir for everything? How to duplicate behaviour of mutt? [not found] <87ekkrjpzm.fsf@heresy.ainola.jyu.fi> @ 2004-09-27 14:30 ` Paul Jarc 2004-09-27 16:31 ` Juhapekka Tolvanen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Paul Jarc @ 2004-09-27 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Juhapekka Tolvanen <FUBAR.juhtolv@iki.fi.SNAFU.invalid> wrote: > First thing I need is this: When I hit "o" to save my News article, I > want to save it that article to ~/News so that each group has one > Maildir-folder. Apparently there is no maildir-format saver function. But you could use B c to copy an article to an nnmaildir group. So you could put together a command that creates the nnmaildir group corresponding to the current group, if it doesn't already exist, and then calls gnus-summary-copy-article to put the article there. > And how can I convert those News articles I already have there to > Maildir-format? According to file-command they are in emacs > RMAIL-format. You could temporarily create an nnbabyl server to access those as Gnus groups, and use B c to copy the articles to nnmaildir groups. > [When I stop reading my INBOX, read mails are moved to > ~/Maildir.save/read/ if I give permission.] I think you could do something like that with auto-expire in your inbox group, with the "read" group as the expiry target. I'm not sure if you could make it prompt you for moving the messages, though. > [When I leave text editor, and decide to postpone sending my E-Mail, it > is saved to ~/Maildir.save/postponed/ if don't give permission for > cancelling that E-Mail] Gnus has a specialized backend for drafts. It's not maildir, but it does use one file per message. > [When I send my E-Mail, a copy of it is saved to > ~/Maildir.save/sent-mail-YYYY-MM where YYYY is substituted with number > of year and YY is substituted with number of month (leading zero included)] That can be done with a little Lisp. I've never done it, so I don't know the details. > my_hdr From: Juhapekka Tolvanen <juhtolv@cc.jyu.fi> > my_hdr Reply-To: Juhapekka Tolvanen <juhtolv@iki.fi> > > [Those headers are added to each mail] I do this with posting styles, but there are other ways too. > [during editing I can edit all headers, too] I think that's always true in Gnus, except there are some fields like Date and Message-ID that are regenerated when you send the message. > # If unset and you are replying to a message sent by you, Mutt will > # assume that you want to reply to the recipients of that message > # rather than to yourself. If you use followup instead of reply, Gnus will construct a message addressed to the sender and recipients, but then will remove your own address. > [First ignore all headers when reading some E-Mail] ... > [Then unignore some headers] See the variable gnus-visible-headers. > (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nnmaildir "")) Make that: (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nnmaildir "" (directory "~/Maildir.save"))) > (add-to-list 'mail-sources '(maildir :path "/var/mail/juhtolv/" :subdirs ("cur" "new") ) ) > > But I don't want it to delete mail from my INBOX when I stop reading > it. I want to copy each mail manually to right folder. Then you should access that maildir as an nnmaildir group, not a mail-source. You can make a symlink like ~/Maildir.save/inbox -> /var/mail/juhtolv. > BTW is Gnus the only emacs-based MUA Maildir-support? There's also VM, perhaps others as well. paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: How to use Maildir for everything? How to duplicate behaviour of mutt? 2004-09-27 14:30 ` How to use Maildir for everything? How to duplicate behaviour of mutt? Paul Jarc @ 2004-09-27 16:31 ` Juhapekka Tolvanen [not found] ` <87u0thcwx2.fsf@heresy.ainola.jyu.fi> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Juhapekka Tolvanen @ 2004-09-27 16:31 UTC (permalink / raw) prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: > Juhapekka Tolvanen <FUBAR.juhtolv@iki.fi.SNAFU.invalid> wrote: >> First thing I need is this: When I hit "o" to save my News article, I >> want to save it that article to ~/News so that each group has one >> Maildir-folder. > Apparently there is no maildir-format saver function. But you could > use B c to copy an article to an nnmaildir group. So you could put > together a command that creates the nnmaildir group corresponding to > the current group, if it doesn't already exist, and then calls > gnus-summary-copy-article to put the article there. I'm sorry, but I can not code in elisp. Any takers? Maybe that command could be bound to key "o". >> And how can I convert those News articles I already have there to >> Maildir-format? According to file-command they are in emacs >> RMAIL-format. > You could temporarily create an nnbabyl server to access those as Gnus > groups, and use B c to copy the articles to nnmaildir groups. Argh... Do you know any other ways to convert from RMAIL-format to mbox or Maildir? I can use mbox-format as intermediate format and then convert that to Maildir. >> [When I stop reading my INBOX, read mails are moved to >> ~/Maildir.save/read/ if I give permission.] > I think you could do something like that with auto-expire in your > inbox group, with the "read" group as the expiry target. I'm not sure > if you could make it prompt you for moving the messages, though. Okay. Maybe that feature is not very important. >> [When I leave text editor, and decide to postpone sending my E-Mail, it >> is saved to ~/Maildir.save/postponed/ if don't give permission for >> cancelling that E-Mail] > Gnus has a specialized backend for drafts. It's not maildir, but it > does use one file per message. Okay. Maybe that is not too big problem, except in this situation: I start writing some E-mail under mutt and postpone it. Then I go on editing it from Gnus. Or vice versa. >> [When I send my E-Mail, a copy of it is saved to >> ~/Maildir.save/sent-mail-YYYY-MM where YYYY is substituted with >> number of year and YY is substituted with number of month (leading >> zero included)] > That can be done with a little Lisp. I've never done it, so I don't > know the details. I reiterate: I can not code in elisp. Any takers? >> my_hdr From: Juhapekka Tolvanen <juhtolv@cc.jyu.fi> >> my_hdr Reply-To: Juhapekka Tolvanen <juhtolv@iki.fi> >> [Those headers are added to each mail] > I do this with posting styles, but there are other ways too. Here are my current posting styles from ~/.gnus.el : (setq gnus-posting-styles '( (".*" (name "Juhapekka Tolvanen") (address "SNAFU.juhtolv@iki.fi.FUBAR.invalid") ) ) ) I tried this, but then I commented it way, because it caused leaving signature away: ;;(setq gnus-posting-styles ;; '( ;; (".*" ;;default ;; (name "Juhapekka Tolvanen") ;; (organization "") ;; (address "juhtolv@cc.jyu.fi") ;; ("Reply-To" "juhtolv@iki.fi") ;; (signature-file "~/.signature") ;; ) ;; ((message-news-p) ;;Usenet news? ;; (address "SNAFU.juhtolv@iki.fi.FUBAR.invalid") ;; ("Reply-To" "SNAFU.juhtolv@iki.fi.FUBAR.invalid") ;; (signature-file "~/.signature") ;; ) ;; ((message-mail-p) ;;mail? ;; (address "juhtolv@cc.jyu.fi") ;; ("Reply-To" "juhtolv@iki.fi") ;; (signature-file "~/.signature") ;; ) ;; ) ;;) What am I doing wrong? >> [during editing I can edit all headers, too] > > I think that's always true in Gnus, except there are some fields like > Date and Message-ID that are regenerated when you send the message. Okay. >> # If unset and you are replying to a message sent by you, Mutt will >> # assume that you want to reply to the recipients of that message >> # rather than to yourself. > If you use followup instead of reply, Gnus will construct a message > addressed to the sender and recipients, but then will remove your own > address. Okay. >> [First ignore all headers when reading some E-Mail] > ... >> [Then unignore some headers] > > See the variable gnus-visible-headers. Okay. Is it possible to change order of shown headers? Is it possible to see all headers when reading News article but only selected when reading E-Mail -messages. >> (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nnmaildir "")) > > Make that: > (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods > '(nnmaildir "" (directory "~/Maildir.save"))) > >> (add-to-list 'mail-sources '(maildir :path "/var/mail/juhtolv/" :subdirs ("cur" "new") ) ) >> >> But I don't want it to delete mail from my INBOX when I stop reading >> it. I want to copy each mail manually to right folder. > Then you should access that maildir as an nnmaildir group, not a > mail-source. You can make a symlink like ~/Maildir.save/inbox -> > /var/mail/juhtolv. Alright... I am getting there. I start carefully. Hence, I created a directory called ~/Maildir.gnus, first and I copied a directory called "ibid" from ~/.Maildir.save to ~/.Maildir.gnus . Then I created symbolic link that points from ~/.Maildir.gnus/INBOX to /var/mail/juhtolv . And I put this to my ~/.gnus.el : (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nnmaildir "" (directory "~/Maildir.gnus"))) If I start Gnus and hit "L", there are these "groups", too: 0: nnmaildir:INBOX 0: nnmaildir:ibid And if I choose them, I really can read those E-Mails there. And E-Mails of INBOX really stay there, when I leave that folder. They just go from /var/mail/juhtolv/new to /var/mail/juhtolv/cur . And same happens when reading that folder called "ibid". Now, I want to be sure, that my Gnus never expires my E-Mails automatically. I am used to do this: I sometimes burn my mailfolders to CD-R. Then I delete old my E-Mails by hand. >> BTW is Gnus the only emacs-based MUA Maildir-support? > There's also VM, perhaps others as well. Are you really sure that VM has Maildir-support? BTW I just realised, that Wanderlust has some Maildir-support. But I don't know if it can read and write Maildir-folders. -- Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash juhtolv "halpojen hoitojen maailma uljas haluaa taistosi latistaa, mielesi lipeävedellä valkaistuun ruotuunsa, joka on hautausmaa" CMX ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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* Re: How to use Maildir for everything? How to duplicate behaviour of mutt? [not found] ` <87acv8jprb.fsf@heresy.ainola.jyu.fi> @ 2004-09-30 19:32 ` Juhapekka Tolvanen 2004-10-01 8:05 ` Sebastien Kirche 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Juhapekka Tolvanen @ 2004-09-30 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw) Juhapekka Tolvanen <SNAFU.juhtolv@iki.fi.FUBAR.invalid> writes: > Meanwhile, I'll take your elisp-snippet and tune it for my > Maildir-folders. Thanks! Here it is and it works: ;; Save sent E-Mail messages to sent-mail-YYYY-MM ;; Save sent Usenet News articles to sent-news-YYYY-MM (setq gnus-message-archive-group '((if (message-news-p) (concat "nnmaildir:sent-news-" (format-time-string "%Y-%m")) (concat "nnmaildir:sent-mail-" (format-time-string "%Y-%m")) ) ) ) Today I also made some hack for converting RMAIL/BABYL-folders to mbox-format and then to Maildir format. http://iki.fi/juhtolv/configs/gnus/ This system has just one drawback: Now Gnus can not show if article in Summary-buffer is saved. But I watch very seldom those articles I have already read or marked read. I tried first a software called mb2md, but it was really buggy: http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/mb2md/ If you know how to fix it, please do it. Meanwhile I can use that script called mbox2maildir . I don't remember how I found it. You may also find these scripts useful, no matter if you were mutt-user: http://iki.fi/juhtolv/configs/gnus/mutt/ Well, my Gnus configuration is mostly ready. Here are relevant parts that were needed to enable usage of Gnus for E-Mail in My Way(tm): (setq gnus-posting-styles '( (".*" ;;default (name "Juhapekka Tolvanen") (signature-file "~/.signature") (organization "What?+ Me organized?+ Never!1") ) (message-news-p ;; A function symbol: Usenet News (address "SNAFU.juhtolv@iki.fi.FUBAR.invalid") ("Reply-To" "SNAFU.juhtolv@iki.fi.FUBAR.invalid") ) (message-mail-p ;; A function symbol: E-Mail (address "juhtolv@cc.jyu.fi") ("Reply-To" "juhtolv@iki.fi") ) ) ) (setq gnus-visible-headers (quote ("^Posted-To:" "^X-CRM114-Status:" "^X-CRM114-Score:" "^X-CRM114-Action:" "^X-Reject:" "^X-Spam-Status:" "^X-Spam-Level:" "^X-Spam-Report:" "^X-Spam-Flag:" "^X-Spam-Checker-Version:" "^X-Pyzor:" "^X-Spam-Pyzor:" "^X-DCC-SdV-Metrics:" "^X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics:" "^X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics:" "^X-Spam-DCC:" "^X-Spam-Checked:" "^X-Spam-Status:" "^X-Virus-Scanned:" "^X-scanner:" "^Subject:" "^Newsgroups:" "^Date:" "^From:" "^Organization:" "^To:" "^Cc:" "^[BGF]?Cc:" "^Reply-To:" "^Resent-From:" "^Mail-Followup-To:" "^Followup-To:" "^Mail-Copies-To:" "^Apparently-To:" "^Summary:" "^Keywords:" "^X-Keywords:" "^X-Mailing-List:" "^Old-Return-Path:" "^Delivered-To:" "^In-Reply-To:" "^X-Originating-Email:" "^Message-ID:" "^X-Lotus-FromDomain:" "^X-Mailer:" "^X-Newsreader:" "^X-Agent:" "^User-Agent:" "^X-Newsreader" "^X-Mailer-URL:" "^X-Operating-System:" "^X-OS:" "^X-Editor:" "^X-Uptime:" "Content-Type:" "^Gnus-Warning:") ) ) (setq mail-sources nil) (setq nnmail-spool-file nil) (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nnmaildir "" (directory "~/Maildir.gnus"))) ;; Avoid marking read articles expirable: (remove-hook 'gnus-mark-article-hook 'gnus-summary-mark-read-and-unread-as-read) (add-hook 'gnus-mark-article-hook 'gnus-summary-mark-unread-as-read) ;; Save sent E-Mail messages to sent-mail-YYYY-MM ;; Save sent Usenet News articles to sent-news-YYYY-MM (setq gnus-message-archive-group '((if (message-news-p) (concat "nnmaildir:sent-news-" (format-time-string "%Y-%m")) (concat "nnmaildir:sent-mail-" (format-time-string "%Y-%m")) ) ) ) Maybe I'll release all my emacs and Gnus-configs some day in the WWW. Once again: Thank you! -- Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash juhtolv "halpojen hoitojen maailma uljas haluaa taistosi latistaa, mielesi lipeävedellä valkaistuun ruotuunsa, joka on hautausmaa" CMX ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: How to use Maildir for everything? How to duplicate behaviour of mutt? 2004-09-30 19:32 ` Juhapekka Tolvanen @ 2004-10-01 8:05 ` Sebastien Kirche 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Sebastien Kirche @ 2004-10-01 8:05 UTC (permalink / raw) Le 30 Sep 2004, Juhapekka Tolvanen a dit : > I tried first a software called mb2md, but it was really buggy: > > http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/mb2md/ > > If you know how to fix it, please do it. Meanwhile I can use that script > called mbox2maildir . I don't remember how I found it. Did you tried Gnus itself to convert your messages ? - create a nnmb backend group to access the existing mailbox - create a nnmaildir backend group where to place the converted mails (maybe the one you have already) - mark the messages (M P R RET) in the nnmb group - move them to the nnmaildir (B m) Sébastien Kirche ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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