* Setting UTF-7 for usenet posts
@ 2005-07-11 15:23 Andrzej Adam Filip
2005-07-11 15:37 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-07-11 15:51 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
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From: Andrzej Adam Filip @ 2005-07-11 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
How to set up UTF-7 encoding for non ASCI posts?
[ Thanks in advance for the links ]
I am under impression than UTF-7 is better suited for usenet posts than
UTF-8. What is your opinion?
--
Andrzej [en:Andrew] Adam Filip anfi@priv.onet.pl anfi@xl.wp.pl
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-- Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
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* Re: Setting UTF-7 for usenet posts
2005-07-11 15:23 Setting UTF-7 for usenet posts Andrzej Adam Filip
@ 2005-07-11 15:37 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-07-11 16:30 ` Andrzej Adam Filip
2005-07-11 15:51 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
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From: Jacob Sparre Andersen @ 2005-07-11 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@priv.onet.pl> writes:
> I am under impression than UTF-7 is better suited for usenet posts
> than UTF-8. What is your opinion?
UTF-7 may be marginally better suited, but personally I prefer an
appropriate fixed-width encoding (in my case mostly ISO-8859-1).
Greetings,
Jacob
--
PNG: Pretty Nice Graphics
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* Re: Setting UTF-7 for usenet posts
2005-07-11 15:23 Setting UTF-7 for usenet posts Andrzej Adam Filip
2005-07-11 15:37 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
@ 2005-07-11 15:51 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2005-07-11 16:09 ` Andrzej Adam Filip
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From: Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk @ 2005-07-11 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@priv.onet.pl> writes:
> I am under impression than UTF-7 is better suited for usenet posts than
> UTF-8. What is your opinion?
It's worse because it's much less widely implemented than UTF-8, and
also less readable when the reader doesn't know it.
--
__("< Marcin Kowalczyk
\__/ qrczak@knm.org.pl
^^ http://qrnik.knm.org.pl/~qrczak/
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* Re: Setting UTF-7 for usenet posts
2005-07-11 15:51 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
@ 2005-07-11 16:09 ` Andrzej Adam Filip
2005-07-11 16:39 ` Adam Sjøgren
2005-07-11 20:29 ` Aidan Kehoe
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From: Andrzej Adam Filip @ 2005-07-11 16:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk <qrczak@knm.org.pl> writes:
> Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@priv.onet.pl> writes:
> > I am under impression than UTF-7 is better suited for usenet posts than
> > UTF-8. What is your opinion?
>
> It's worse because it's
> [1] much less widely implemented than UTF-8
Which specific news readers support UTF-8 but no UTF-7?
> [2] less readable when the reader doesn't know it.
?! I disagree.
UTF-7 uses only prinatable characters.
When I have used UTF-8 for usenet postings sometimes I have got replies
with "botched" encoding e.g. when news readers assumes some encoding and
ignores MIME headers.
--
Andrzej [en:Andrew] Adam Filip anfi@priv.onet.pl anfi@xl.wp.pl
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-- Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
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* Re: Setting UTF-7 for usenet posts
2005-07-11 15:37 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
@ 2005-07-11 16:30 ` Andrzej Adam Filip
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From: Andrzej Adam Filip @ 2005-07-11 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
Jacob Sparre Andersen <sparre@nbi.dk> writes:
> Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@priv.onet.pl> writes:
> > I am under impression than UTF-7 is better suited for usenet posts
> > than UTF-8. What is your opinion?
>
> UTF-7 may be marginally better suited, but personally I prefer an
> appropriate fixed-width encoding (in my case mostly ISO-8859-1).
In my case it would be iso-8859-2 BUT I would like to
* preserve ISO-8859-1 names and surnames
* use euro sign
--
Andrzej [en:Andrew] Adam Filip anfi@priv.onet.pl anfi@xl.wp.pl
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-- Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
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* Re: Setting UTF-7 for usenet posts
2005-07-11 16:09 ` Andrzej Adam Filip
@ 2005-07-11 16:39 ` Adam Sjøgren
2005-07-11 20:29 ` Aidan Kehoe
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From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2005-07-11 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 11 Jul 2005 18:09:35 +0200, Andrzej wrote:
>> [2] less readable when the reader doesn't know it.
> ?! I disagree.
> UTF-7 uses only prinatable characters.
Here is an example:
Original text (iso-8859-1): Frække frølår
UTF8: Frække frølår
UTF7: Fr+AOY-kke fr+APg-l+AOU-r
For a hypothetical bad newsreader, the last is perhaps the easiest to
handle (only ascii-chars). For a human reader, I think utf8 is easier.
Best regards,
--
"Lef ma nine imma Jeep" Adam Sjøgren
asjo@koldfront.dk
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* Re: Setting UTF-7 for usenet posts
2005-07-11 16:09 ` Andrzej Adam Filip
2005-07-11 16:39 ` Adam Sjøgren
@ 2005-07-11 20:29 ` Aidan Kehoe
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From: Aidan Kehoe @ 2005-07-11 20:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
Ar an t-aonú lá déag de mí Iúil, scríobh Andrzej Adam Filip:
> > It's worse because it's
> > [1] much less widely implemented than UTF-8
>
> Which specific news readers support UTF-8 but no UTF-7?
Gnus on XEmacs is one.
--
Russian has no phoneme that corresponds directly to Germanic /h/. As a
result, for a not-insignificant number of people, the Second World War
involved the Soviet Union defeating Адольф Гитлер, “Adolf Gitler.”
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