From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/2567 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ichimusai Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: UTF-8 still a problem Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:07:37 +0200 Organization: Rikskrem Message-ID: References: <84r86hzw2t.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <84k7c9hw74.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <84d6hz2yhm.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <84he7bdw7a.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1138668954 15602 80.91.229.2 (31 Jan 2006 00:55:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: nobody Tue Jan 17 17:30:53 2006 Original-Path: quimby.gnus.org!newsfeed1.e.nsc.no!nsc.no!nextra.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.algonet.se!algonet!news2.tninet.se!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Original-Sender: krikkit@algonet.invalid Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: wilhelmina.algonet.se Original-X-Trace: green.tninet.se 1054393744 13686 213.150.135.236 (31 May 2003 15:09:04 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenordia.se Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:09:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Home-Page: http://www.ichimusai.org/ Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEVpVlPq8O+ahoJpZGWI aF+0rbDP2t77+/tXRkMWGBYnxDeqAAACZUlEQVR4nG2Tv0/jMBTHn44OZvRAsxY3QbBVBE69 LSqp1NugnMOcSjW3drjLGrUMzoYOTrL/W77PTksHnio3eR9/n98Ph56ar40emib5GshoXwBj hjIJqk1yDIYASSMjkQdElTGmhscE3+YQMwC4jK5qCTas5SaCC4CmGWqtl0ov9VrXwEmzYVAn 8gzuYNkyq5GLlKShGJpqlZawwFDZZigpA1jptSqDzVRaZknz11Rk1rpK+T2aUsX8uWkQCgKN 13SvUOm385BVbczyE/ApgyyAJymXIRLtJYV6DgXKs9FMTQhW8G+mRrPzUGC9ms5E571rhe2w qvE2C2DzqxWezbn4d9NyLHr4s+h20WN9NIsa0ZKVcPcKofyr6IG/Pm8kXTzCmedYXii63Y/X 74kkN+HdHgtRePJvl26OyqeTrotH3xTC5/w0dRm3ZOqvwsYtiuyC9s1fAzz9dsuUrB0oNFhw Yk51W4Ds/h1Dwu7Ry8ItrLWo/fRffUYnN1utsZsu34UTlgZo1883Vug5j7ssLAnez228csbg lmQBlGXBJIBLpzUALghiqVQMuMXc+REq/gQF2bYHY3cAmeKUQQqe4nh3AFrxMLxlxQGs+RYW SMvazjKYLU7GB4DDcYANoDzd5eoTIN2YFVpm7ZGiJNuDwvr2GAgk1TLAXHZTvruxkBSFBwXG 4lpLt/sK00K0aGEQMPCu6sFEhMoLjJ676f3/Pt1C8OF3JPbA34bPKY3p0hHwAZR5DyyuHsDu +rFXlPlJzrCLIKu0iV8mSJ5PCBccfkG3BkBHcBcBBJAyWAeg4Eco0e0mIB+zpGgBt4EqDwAA AABJRU5ErkJggg== User-Agent: Gnus/5.090015 (Oort Gnus v0.15) Emacs/21.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:UrGNSd3RhcDGhdRxyEHXLfKmicI= Original-Xref: bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de gnus-emacs-gnus:2707 Original-Lines: 66 X-Gnus-Article-Number: 2707 Tue Jan 17 17:30:53 2006 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:2567 Archived-At: kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai Großjohann) writes: > Ichimusai writes: > >> kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai Großjohann) writes: >> >>> I don't understand what you mean by "difference". For a difference, >>> two things are required, but I don't know what they are. (One of >>> then is probably C-x RET c utf-8 C-x C-f /path/to/utf-8/file RET.) >> >> It looks as if I just opened it and viewed it in ISO 8859 without >> trying to tell Emacs it is a utf-8 encoded file. The multibyte >> characters are not changed into something intelligeble. > > Ah. So you mean that > > C-x RET c latin-1 RET C-x C-f /path/to/file RET > > and > > C-x RET c utf-8 RET C-x C-f /path/to/file RET > > produce the same visible result? Yes, both look like it is trying to do Latin-1. > That's strange. What kind of file are we talking about? The test file you recommended earlier. And some posts I saved in UTF. >>> Maybe post in gnu.emacs.help that UTF-8 isn't working and describe >>> what you do, what you see, what you expect to see. >> >> I have trouble with even describeing the problem since I don't know >> what is the problem. Am I doing something I should not? Or missing >> to do something I should not. Is my version of Emacs requiring >> something special in .emacs to turn on MULE or what it is that >> handle different charsets. > > Emacs 21.2 has Mule turned on by default. So unless you do "emacs > --unibyte" or set the variable default-enable-multibyte-characters, > it will be on. (Even with those things, Mule will be on, but behave > differently.) Okay, I am not messing around with any of those. > Hm. Also (standard-display-european 1) will do bad things. Don't > use it. I had that set before, but commented it out some fortnights ago. > What happens with the C-x RET c utf-8 RET C-x C-f /path/to/file RET > command in an Emacs started with "emacs -q -no-site-file"? Damn. Though I do not have all the glyphs, now the encoding looks right. I am running RedHat, is it possible they got a site-file somewhere that is screwing this up? Where is such a file usually located? -- AA #769 ICQ: 1645566 Yahoo: Ichimusai AOL: Ichimusai1972 MSN: Ichimusai IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URL: http://www.ichimusai.org/ We're almost equals I purr to show I love you Want to smell my butt. -- Cat Haiku