* how to disable auto-filling and other syntax-completion actions in article editing mode?
@ 2007-10-22 19:13 Randy Yates
2007-10-25 11:40 ` Randy Yates
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From: Randy Yates @ 2007-10-22 19:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: info-gnus-english
I think the subject says it all. I hate any editor "automatically" doing
anything with my text.
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* Re: how to disable auto-filling and other syntax-completion actions in article editing mode?
2007-10-22 19:13 how to disable auto-filling and other syntax-completion actions in article editing mode? Randy Yates
@ 2007-10-25 11:40 ` Randy Yates
2007-10-26 7:49 ` Torben Knudsen
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From: Randy Yates @ 2007-10-25 11:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: info-gnus-english
Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> writes:
> I think the subject says it all. I hate any editor "automatically" doing
> anything with my text.
Is this difficult? It also changed when I upgraded to the development
version of gnus.
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* Re: how to disable auto-filling and other syntax-completion actions in article editing mode?
2007-10-25 11:40 ` Randy Yates
@ 2007-10-26 7:49 ` Torben Knudsen
2007-10-26 19:07 ` Randy Yates
2007-12-28 0:10 ` Randy Yates
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From: Torben Knudsen @ 2007-10-26 7:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: info-gnus-english
>>>>> "Randy" == Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> writes:
Randy> Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> writes:
>> I think the subject says it all. I hate any editor "automatically"
>> doing anything with my text.
auto-fill-mode is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple'.
(auto-fill-mode &optional ARG)
Toggle Auto Fill mode.
With arg, turn Auto Fill mode on if and only if arg is positive.
In Auto Fill mode, inserting a space at a column beyond `current-fill-column'
automatically breaks the line at a previous space.
The value of `normal-auto-fill-function' specifies the function to use
for `auto-fill-function' when turning Auto Fill mode on.
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Department of Electronic Systems,
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* Re: how to disable auto-filling and other syntax-completion actions in article editing mode?
2007-10-26 7:49 ` Torben Knudsen
@ 2007-10-26 19:07 ` Randy Yates
2007-10-26 20:35 ` Reiner Steib
2007-12-28 0:10 ` Randy Yates
1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Randy Yates @ 2007-10-26 19:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: info-gnus-english
Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk> writes:
>>>>>> "Randy" == Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> writes:
>
> Randy> Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> writes:
>>> I think the subject says it all. I hate any editor "automatically"
>>> doing anything with my text.
>
> auto-fill-mode is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple'.
> (auto-fill-mode &optional ARG)
>
> Toggle Auto Fill mode.
> With arg, turn Auto Fill mode on if and only if arg is positive.
> In Auto Fill mode, inserting a space at a column beyond `current-fill-column'
> automatically breaks the line at a previous space.
>
> The value of `normal-auto-fill-function' specifies the function to use
> for `auto-fill-function' when turning Auto Fill mode on.
I guess the development version of gnus pays attention to this while the
older version did not.
--
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* Re: how to disable auto-filling and other syntax-completion actions in article editing mode?
2007-10-26 19:07 ` Randy Yates
@ 2007-10-26 20:35 ` Reiner Steib
2007-10-27 17:33 ` Randy Yates
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Reiner Steib @ 2007-10-26 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: info-gnus-english
On Fri, Oct 26 2007, Randy Yates wrote:
>>>> I think the subject says it all.
No, I don't understand the syntax-completion part. Please describe
exactly what you mean. As `M-x gnus-bug RET' says: "Please describe
the bug in annoying, painstaking detail."
WRT auto-fill, `C-h i d m Message RET' (Message manual), `i auto-fill'
leads directly to...
,----[ (info "(message)Various Message Variables") ]
| `message-fill-column'
| Local value for the column beyond which automatic line-wrapping
| should happen for message buffers. If non-nil (the default), also
| turn on auto-fill in message buffers.
`----
> I guess the development version of gnus pays attention to this while the
> older version did not.
When upgrading you should always read GNUS-NEWS aka...
,----[ (info "(gnus)No Gnus") ]
| * Changes in Message mode
|
| [...]
|
| * `auto-fill-mode' is enabled by default in Message mode. See
| `message-fill-column'. *Note Message Headers:
| (message)Various Message Variables.
`----
Bye, Reiner.
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* Re: how to disable auto-filling and other syntax-completion actions in article editing mode?
2007-10-26 20:35 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2007-10-27 17:33 ` Randy Yates
2007-10-27 20:21 ` Reiner Steib
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Randy Yates @ 2007-10-27 17:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: info-gnus-english
Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
> On Fri, Oct 26 2007, Randy Yates wrote:
>
>>>>> I think the subject says it all.
>
> No, I don't understand the syntax-completion part. Please describe
> exactly what you mean. As `M-x gnus-bug RET' says: "Please describe
> the bug in annoying, painstaking detail."
Well I didn't consider it a bug so I didn't think I needed to make a
bug report.
By syntax-completion, I mean things such as automatic indentation
after a <RET> that occurs when in certain programming language major
modes.
I thought that auto-filling may be part of a general syntax-completion
methodology for the major/minor mode used by gnus for message editing.
Since, as I stated, I don't like any editor I use to insert text
"automagically" for me at any time, I would want this behavior disabled
as well as auto-fill.
> WRT auto-fill, `C-h i d m Message RET' (Message manual), `i auto-fill'
> leads directly to...
> ,----[ (info "(message)Various Message Variables") ]
> | `message-fill-column'
> | Local value for the column beyond which automatic line-wrapping
> | should happen for message buffers. If non-nil (the default), also
> | turn on auto-fill in message buffers.
> `----
>
>> I guess the development version of gnus pays attention to this while the
>> older version did not.
>
> When upgrading you should always read GNUS-NEWS aka...
Unless someone told me to read it, how would I know?
By the way, is there a PDF of the updated manual for the gnus
development version?
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%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % and kiss her interface,
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* Re: how to disable auto-filling and other syntax-completion actions in article editing mode?
2007-10-27 17:33 ` Randy Yates
@ 2007-10-27 20:21 ` Reiner Steib
2007-10-27 21:19 ` Randy Yates
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Reiner Steib @ 2007-10-27 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: info-gnus-english
On Sat, Oct 27 2007, Randy Yates wrote:
> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>> As `M-x gnus-bug RET' says: "Please describe the bug in annoying,
>> painstaking detail."
> Well I didn't consider it a bug so I didn't think I needed to make a
> bug report.
Nevertheless you can describe your problem/question/whatever in
annoying, painstaking detail.
> By syntax-completion, I mean things such as automatic indentation
> after a <RET> that occurs when in certain programming language major
> modes.
I.e. you didn't observe this in message mode?
> Since, as I stated, I don't like any editor I use to insert text
> "automagically" for me at any time, I would want this behavior disabled
> as well as auto-fill.
I have enabled it by default because overlong lines are bad netiquette
and most people like to have it on by default. Cf. the FAQ (info
"(gnus)[5.2]"): "How to enable automatic word-wrap when composing
messages?".
>> When upgrading you should always read GNUS-NEWS aka...
>
> Unless someone told me to read it, how would I know?
As you already guessed, the behavior changed since 5.10.*, so it's
quite plausible to look under "New Features" in the manual or
something names "*-NEWS" in the distribution tar-ball. Isn't it?
> By the way, is there a PDF of the updated manual for the gnus
> development version?
In the source distribution, do...
cd texi; make pdf
Bye, Reiner.
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* Re: how to disable auto-filling and other syntax-completion actions in article editing mode?
2007-10-27 20:21 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2007-10-27 21:19 ` Randy Yates
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Randy Yates @ 2007-10-27 21:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: info-gnus-english
Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
> On Sat, Oct 27 2007, Randy Yates wrote:
>
>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>>> As `M-x gnus-bug RET' says: "Please describe the bug in annoying,
>>> painstaking detail."
>> Well I didn't consider it a bug so I didn't think I needed to make a
>> bug report.
>
> Nevertheless you can describe your problem/question/whatever in
> annoying, painstaking detail.
I could, yes. However, I won't. I will describe it with "sufficient"
detail. If there is something you don't understand, ask for
clarification.
>> By syntax-completion, I mean things such as automatic indentation
>> after a <RET> that occurs when in certain programming language major
>> modes.
>
> I.e. you didn't observe this in message mode?
The truth is, I *thought* I observed some sort of "syntax-completion"
action (that wasn't just auto-filling) in message mode once, but I
accidently deleted it so quickly I didn't get a chance to see what it
was.
>> Since, as I stated, I don't like any editor I use to insert text
>> "automagically" for me at any time, I would want this behavior disabled
>> as well as auto-fill.
>
> I have enabled it by default because overlong lines are bad netiquette
> and most people like to have it on by default. Cf. the FAQ (info
> "(gnus)[5.2]"): "How to enable automatic word-wrap when composing
> messages?".
I'm not questioning the validity of the default value, just asking
how to turn it off.
>>> When upgrading you should always read GNUS-NEWS aka...
>>
>> Unless someone told me to read it, how would I know?
>
> As you already guessed, the behavior changed since 5.10.*, so it's
> quite plausible to look under "New Features" in the manual or
> something names "*-NEWS" in the distribution tar-ball. Isn't it?
A hell of a lot of things are plausible, if you have the time.
>> By the way, is there a PDF of the updated manual for the gnus
>> development version?
>
> In the source distribution, do...
>
> cd texi; make pdf
A straightforward response to a simple question. Thanks.
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* Re: how to disable auto-filling and other syntax-completion actions in article editing mode?
2007-10-26 7:49 ` Torben Knudsen
2007-10-26 19:07 ` Randy Yates
@ 2007-12-28 0:10 ` Randy Yates
1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Randy Yates @ 2007-12-28 0:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: info-gnus-english
Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk> writes:
>>>>>> "Randy" == Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> writes:
>
> Randy> Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> writes:
>>> I think the subject says it all. I hate any editor "automatically"
>>> doing anything with my text.
>
> auto-fill-mode is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple'.
> (auto-fill-mode &optional ARG)
>
> Toggle Auto Fill mode.
> With arg, turn Auto Fill mode on if and only if arg is positive.
> In Auto Fill mode, inserting a space at a column beyond `current-fill-column'
> automatically breaks the line at a previous space.
>
> The value of `normal-auto-fill-function' specifies the function to use
> for `auto-fill-function' when turning Auto Fill mode on.
A belated thanks!
--
% Randy Yates % "The dreamer, the unwoken fool -
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % in dreams, no pain will kiss the brow..."
%%% 919-577-9882 %
%%%% <yates@ieee.org> % 'Eldorado Overture', *Eldorado*, ELO
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com
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