Re: Two IMAP problems

["Mats Löfdahl" <xyzzy@chello.se>]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> Mats Löfdahl <xyzzy@chello.se> writes:
>
>> Hm. I guess I'll want to find a way to manipulate the group buffer so
>> something like "imap:" or "xxx:" is substituted for the ugly
>> "nnimap+xxx:INBOX." part.
>
> If you name the secondary method "", it will look like
> nnimap:INBOX.foo.  Getting rid of the INBOX part isn't possible, I
> think, unless you configure the server to work differently (it is
> possible in recent Cyrus IMAPD, I believe).

I realize that. I was thinking about how the group is presented in the
*Group* buffer, not what it is actually called on the server.

But that's a really minor thing. And probably not very practical,
since it would make it confusing when gnus asks for a group name as a
target for moving or copying a message.


>>>> The IMAP protocol does not support editing of messages. 
>>> 
>>> Oh. That's a real drawback, isn't it? Not that I edit the contents
>>> of messages very much. But I often want to repair threads with "T
>>> ^", which does not seem to be possible, then.
>> 
>> Hmmm. So the problem is with the IMAP protocoll. Nothing much we can
>> do about that, I guess. 
>> 
>> But it appears you can move messages between nnimap groups and other
>> mail groups. Wouldn't it be possible to do it in a more roundabout
>> way, so you move the message to be edited to some temporary group on
>> another backend, do the editing, and then move it back. Or maybe do
>> this with copying rather than moving, so it doesn't get lost if there
>> are other problems while you're doing it. Like, copy out of the
>> nnimap, edit, copy back in, then remove original message.
>
> Yup, this would be possible.  Not implemented yet though.

After writing my message, I actually thought I remembered a discussion
along those lines a long time ago. 


>> [...]
>> I see no error messages and it even says that it's done expunging. But
>> the deleted messages are still there.
>
> Hm, and the B DEL command really sent the delete command to the server
> earlier?  If so, it seems weird that the server doesn't says anothing
> more at the EXPUNGE command, it should say which articles was marked
> \Deleted and remove them.
>
>> They are marked "Y" when I enter the group again with "C-u SPC".
>
> Y?  If so, then you didn't delete the message, you scored it down.
> Try B DEL on the article instead.

Oh. Right. I've been pressing "d" (It's a "d", so it has to mean
"delete"... :-) and "E". Now that I try B DEL it works.


>> (Don't know what the "NOT SINCE 31-Aug-2003" means. I'd entered that
>> group both yesterday and earlier today.)
>
> I think it means you have article expiring enabled, and that Gnus
> searches for eligible articles to expire.

Can I use the expire features to get the messages deleted properly? I
mean, so that when they expire, it's like if B DEL was pressed.

-- 
Mats Löfdahl