* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs? [not found] <958686cf.0205250726.5867ff99@posting.google.com> @ 2002-05-26 0:21 ` Reiner Steib 2002-05-26 19:32 ` Simon Josefsson ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2002-05-26 0:21 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sat, May 25 2002, Jens Schmidt wrote: > I have two different ISPs A and B and I want to access them with > only one Gnus (i.e., with only one .newsrc.eld etc.) as follows: > > - completely disconnected from A and B > - connected to A, disconnected from B > - connected to B, disconnected from A [...] > Is that currently possible? Any plans to implement something > like that? Any alternative approaches? Set up a simple local news on your machine (leafnode for Unix/Linux or Hamster for Windows) and let them fetch from both, ISP-A and ISP-B. At least leafnode just skips servers that it's not allowed to access (trying to connected to server ISP-A while connected to ISP-B). Dunno about Hamster. Within Gnus, you only will use localhost as the server in gnus-select-method. Other method are difficult, because Gnus (and every other User-Agent, AFAIK) looks at/stores the article numbers and not at the unique Message-Id (an article has different numbers on different servers). Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- PGP key available via WWW http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs? [not found] <958686cf.0205250726.5867ff99@posting.google.com> 2002-05-26 0:21 ` Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs? Reiner Steib @ 2002-05-26 19:32 ` Simon Josefsson [not found] ` <958686cf.0205270006.a6bfc28@posting.google.com> [not found] ` <bobu1ovsv2y.fsf@gis.net> 2002-05-27 8:09 ` Jens Schmidt 3 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-05-26 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw) Jens.Schmidt27@epost.de (Jens Schmidt) writes: > Hi. > > I have two different ISPs A and B and I want to access them with > only one Gnus (i.e., with only one .newsrc.eld etc.) as follows: > > - completely disconnected from A and B > - connected to A, disconnected from B > - connected to B, disconnected from A > > where "disconnected" means "disconnected and agentized". > > Is that currently possible? Any plans to implement something > like that? Any alternative approaches? Add both servers in g-s-s-m and frob the connectedness in the server buffer. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs? [not found] ` <958686cf.0205270006.a6bfc28@posting.google.com> @ 2002-05-27 15:07 ` Simon Josefsson 2002-05-28 8:09 ` Jens Schmidt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-05-27 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Jens.Schmidt27@epost.de (Jens Schmidt) writes: > Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> wrote: >> Add both servers in g-s-s-m and frob the connectedness in the server >> buffer. > > But that does not give me offline reading of articles for the > disconnected servers, right? If you use the Agent and downloads messages before disconnecting; yes, it would. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs? 2002-05-27 15:07 ` Simon Josefsson @ 2002-05-28 8:09 ` Jens Schmidt 2002-05-28 15:28 ` Kai Großjohann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Jens Schmidt @ 2002-05-28 8:09 UTC (permalink / raw) Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes: > Jens.Schmidt27@epost.de (Jens Schmidt) writes: > > > Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> wrote: > >> Add both servers in g-s-s-m and frob the connectedness in the server > >> buffer. > > > > But that does not give me offline reading of articles for the > > disconnected servers, right? > > If you use the Agent and downloads messages before disconnecting; yes, > it would. Ok, then let me fill in the details to see whether the following scenario is correct: o I keep servers for ISP A and ISP B in g-s-s-m and agentize the groups belonging to both of them. o I connect to, say, ISP A and start Gnus plugged. Since I am not connected to ISP B I will have wait for the timeout to kick in to get my Group-buffer (on my NT box I haven't been successfull with C-g to cancel the connection process for an absent server). That's, um, a little bit annoying. o I do a J s and get the articles saved for ISP A. o I close ISP A in the server buffer, disconnect from ISP A and connect to ISP B, follwed by "O" in the server buffer to force an open for the server of ISP B. o (Note that I haven't unplugged the agent so far.) Now, I can automagically access the groups from ISP A through the agent?! I thought the agent "redirects" group access in unplugged mode only? Or do I have to disconnect from ISP B, too, and unplug Gnus to access all articles? That would be even more annoying in my case, since im connected to ISP B most of the time, anyway. Thanks for your help, Jens ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs? 2002-05-28 8:09 ` Jens Schmidt @ 2002-05-28 15:28 ` Kai Großjohann 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-05-28 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw) Jens.Schmidt27@epost.de (Jens Schmidt) writes: > o I connect to, say, ISP A and start Gnus plugged. Since I am > not connected to ISP B I will have wait for the timeout to kick > in to get my Group-buffer (on my NT box I haven't been > successfull with C-g to cancel the connection process for an > absent server). That's, um, a little bit annoying. You could start Gnus unplugged. Then plug, and fetch the groups from the servers you can reach. kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs? [not found] ` <bobn0unsgr1.fsf@gis.net> @ 2002-05-27 4:20 ` Paul Jarc 2002-05-27 5:21 ` Bob Babcock 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Paul Jarc @ 2002-05-27 4:20 UTC (permalink / raw) Bob Babcock <wssddc@gis.net> wrote: >> Why not just use a secondary or foreign server? > > I couldn't tell from the info files what happens if you read the same > newsgroup from different servers. They're kept completely separate. Reading an article on one server does not cause the article to be marked as read on the other. > Separating the setup as much as possible seems to me to be the most > natural way to handle multiple servers. Right. Toggling the definition of gnus-select-method makes them less separate than having one as the primary and the other as secondary or foreign (or both secondary or foreign). I wouldn't be at all surprised if toggling the definition of gnus-select-method made something break, especially if the servers' article numbers aren't synchronized. paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs? 2002-05-27 4:20 ` Paul Jarc @ 2002-05-27 5:21 ` Bob Babcock 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Bob Babcock @ 2002-05-27 5:21 UTC (permalink / raw) > I wouldn't be at all surprised if toggling the definition of > gnus-select-method made something break, especially if the servers' article > numbers aren't synchronized. It seems pretty robust; I've been using this method for handling multiple servers for a while without problems. But perhaps I'm asking for trouble by not using gnus the way the authors expect. I also change gnus-select-method to deal with my isp's 6 synchronized news servers when some of them are down or overloaded. Here I want articles marked as read on one server to be marked on all the others, so I change gnus-select-method after .newsrc-servername has been read. Amazingly I seem to be able to mostly get away with doing this. I do get "wrong type argument: processp, nil" errors when a server rejects a connection. Someday I'll figure out how to use the elisp debugger and see where these come from. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs? [not found] <958686cf.0205250726.5867ff99@posting.google.com> ` (2 preceding siblings ...) [not found] ` <bobu1ovsv2y.fsf@gis.net> @ 2002-05-27 8:09 ` Jens Schmidt 3 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Jens Schmidt @ 2002-05-27 8:09 UTC (permalink / raw) Thanks to all posters for their advice. I should have added that the information I get from ISP A and ISP B is disjoint: I get my office mail via IMAP from ISP A, my private mail via POP from ISP B (and probably in future my news from ISP C because the news server at our office sucks and I do not want use Google when there is Gnus). Is that scenario so unusual that nobody stumbled across it in the past? Jens ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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