From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/10170 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marc Schwartz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: Gmail IMAP and moving articles to trash [solved] Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:21:15 -0600 Message-ID: References: <86ir1qydkk.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1200716603 21386 80.91.229.12 (19 Jan 2008 04:23:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:23:23 +0000 (UTC) To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 19 05:23:42 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JG5F5-0001Wu-OW for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 05:23:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG5Eg-0006Sp-La for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:23:14 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:21:16 -0600 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZLUwyg4NAF+y29qFUcFtVDami5A= Original-Lines: 58 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.17.205.60 Original-X-Trace: sv3-xVRwnzygSSbr4aYECT61sYFoWGdGqfjjbiGM6bmLIfw4fpVw/6Bi6ptarSAXXErgbW2pEu3PkPPgYVg!6uoqOdrtKVDHj83ecd+PedJ7zi5ha4hYceHrMlJNrBwX/HMTlnXvYiDKiWdpxRLJxLQA+cIUBekr!by1QIe8pJwzA8MgpbNhH Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.37 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.gnus:80381 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:22:46 -0500 X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:10170 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:36:30 +0100 "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" wrote: > > jao> hi again... i just discovered the problem seems to be that i wasn't > jao> subscribed to the trash group. subscribing to it seems to fix the issue. > jao> but still, if you know of an alternative fix that does not involved > jao> subscribe to trash, i'd be happy to hear of it! :) > > Sorry, I don't know of a way. > > IMAP has a very specific way of dealing with article expiration and > deletion, so it's unfortunate that Google doesn't use it. > > Ted One of the things that you need to be aware of with Google and IMAP is that all of the actual "physical" e-mails are stored in the "All Mail" folder. Everything else is a 'tag', or essentially a virtual folder. Even the Trash folder is a tag. You may notice that when moving mail to Trash, it is still in All Mail, though this may depend upon your specific config. You might want to watch how the e-mails behave on the GMail web site as you act upon mails in GNUS. Gmail recommends 'marking' e-mails as deleted, but not actually deleting them from the server. I use GNUS here for usenet, but not for e-mail. I have been using Google's IMAP for a few weeks now, as I recently got a Samsung Blackjack II phone and wanted to be able to get e-mail on my phone and laptop without the POP related loss of synchronization. Although there are some issues with Gmail IMAP and HTML e-mails not displaying in the phone's client, it generally functions well. I have the phone synching with my corporate e-mail server (Zimbra running on RHEL) via IMAP as well and that works nicely. I had been using Evolution for e-mail (on RH/Fedora) for a number of years and made the transition to Thunderbird recently, as Evo's IMAP is hopelessly broken. There is a page here: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=12913 that has config information and you can get a feel for how various clients are set up. Even the config in Thunderbird needs to be just right to get it to act properly and map functionality to Gmail's structure. HTH, Marc Schwartz