* Keeping interesting messages @ 2002-06-07 13:19 Paul Moore 2002-06-07 14:33 ` Frank Schmitt ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Paul Moore @ 2002-06-07 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw) I'm pretty much set up the way I want now with Gnus. I'm using Oort Gnus 0.06 with the Agent, and I have adaptive scoring, mail splitting, and expiry sorted (at least as a good starting point). One thing I'm still not sure of the best way to handle, though. I'd like to be able to "keep" messages and news articles that interest me - possibly for a long time, possibly just for a few days (until I get a chance to deal with it). I don't want to leave the messages unread, as that interferes with my normal scan-read-catchup approach to reading groups. I'd rather keep the messages either in their original groups, or in some sort of "parallel" arrangement, so I don't lose track of where they came from. At the moment, I'm ticking articles (I'm assuming that neither total-expire nor the agent expiry will delete ticked articles). This is OK for "keep until I get round to it" articles, but not so good for longer-term retention (the ticked articles are too obtrusive). I've considered marking articles as dormant, but that doesn't seem quite right for what I want. I thought about saving the articles to some form of mbox file, but again I'm not sure that will be what I want. Copying the articles to an "interesting" folder is an option, but that loses the association with the original source (can I add an X-Original-Group header when copying, and filter on that, maybe?) Does anyone have any suggestions on a good way of handling this sort of thing? I'd love it if Gnus gave me a way of easily weeding the good stuff from the cr*p - nothing I've ever found before has been ideal (the nearest I got was marking articles as "Keep" but "Read" in Forte Agent, but it was still a little too easy to forget the good articles I'd saved...) Thanks in advance, Paul. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Keeping interesting messages 2002-06-07 13:19 Keeping interesting messages Paul Moore @ 2002-06-07 14:33 ` Frank Schmitt 2002-06-07 14:56 ` Josh Huber ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Frank Schmitt @ 2002-06-07 14:33 UTC (permalink / raw) Paul Moore <gustav@morpheus.demon.co.uk> writes: > Does anyone have any suggestions on a good way of handling this sort > of thing? I'd love it if Gnus gave me a way of easily weeding the good > stuff from the cr*p - nothing I've ever found before has been ideal > (the nearest I got was marking articles as "Keep" but "Read" in Forte > Agent, but it was still a little too easy to forget the good articles > I'd saved...) I tick articles for short term and if I want to keep them for a longer term I say B c <nnfolder+archive: Groupname> If this group does already exist, the article is copied there, otherwise Gnus asks to create the group. -- One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Keeping interesting messages 2002-06-07 13:19 Keeping interesting messages Paul Moore 2002-06-07 14:33 ` Frank Schmitt @ 2002-06-07 14:56 ` Josh Huber 2002-06-07 19:35 ` D. Goel [not found] ` <vafvg8urjao.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> 3 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Josh Huber @ 2002-06-07 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Paul Moore <gustav@morpheus.demon.co.uk> writes: > One thing I'm still not sure of the best way to handle, though. I'd > like to be able to "keep" messages and news articles that interest me > - possibly for a long time, possibly just for a few days (until I get > a chance to deal with it). I don't want to leave the messages > unread, as that interferes with my normal scan-read-catchup approach > to reading groups. I'd rather keep the messages either in their > original groups, or in some sort of "parallel" arrangement, so I > don't lose track of where they came from. This is what I do: a) for messages I'm going to reply to, I immediately hit R C-c C-d if I don't have time to reply right away. (which is almost always) Then, the message is sitting in my drafts folder. b) for saving interesting messages, I use a little function I wrote: ;; bind a key that copies an article to the group ;; archive.<groupname> (defun jmh:save-archive () (interactive) (let ((group-name (if (string-match ":" gnus-newsgroup-name) (substring gnus-newsgroup-name (match-end 0)) gnus-newsgroup-name))) (gnus-summary-copy-article 1 (concat "archive." group-name)))) (add-hook 'gnus-summary-mode-hook '(lambda () (local-set-key (kbd "C-c s") 'jmh:save-archive) (local-set-key (kbd "C-c p") 'jmh:forward-to-spamcop))) This way, if I want to save a message for longer-term, I just hit C-c s. Also, be sure to add whatever your archive groups are called to the gnus-auto-subscribed-groups regexp. ttyl, -- Josh Huber ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Keeping interesting messages 2002-06-07 13:19 Keeping interesting messages Paul Moore 2002-06-07 14:33 ` Frank Schmitt 2002-06-07 14:56 ` Josh Huber @ 2002-06-07 19:35 ` D. Goel 2002-06-07 20:43 ` Dheeraj Reddy [not found] ` <vafvg8urjao.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> 3 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: D. Goel @ 2002-06-07 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw) in addition to all the other replies, somewhat related/unrelated--- i discovered the joys of caching recently.. viz. pressing * on an article does not let it go away when your news-server wants to delete it after some time.. moreove, this article shows up with that "*" mark on it.. whether read or unread.. , thus showing you that this is an article that 'interested' you and you cached... (press * again to uncache..) DG <http://www.glue.umd.edu/~deego/> -- It is only the work of idealists that create surroundings in which idealism is no longer necessary to let the good choices prevail. -- David Kastrup on 'Free Software vs. Conveninent Software' ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Keeping interesting messages 2002-06-07 19:35 ` D. Goel @ 2002-06-07 20:43 ` Dheeraj Reddy 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Dheeraj Reddy @ 2002-06-07 20:43 UTC (permalink / raw) D. Goel <deego@glue.umd.edu> writes: > in addition to all the other replies, > > > somewhat related/unrelated--- > > i discovered the joys of caching recently.. > > viz. pressing * on an article does not let it go away when your > news-server wants to delete it after some time.. > > moreove, this article shows up with that "*" mark on it.. whether > read or unread.. , thus showing you that this is an article that > 'interested' you and you cached... > > (press * again to uncache..) FWIW just tried it but i think its M-* to uncache. -- dhee ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: Keeping interesting messages [not found] ` <vafvg8urjao.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> @ 2002-06-07 20:52 ` Paul Moore 2002-06-08 11:32 ` Kai Großjohann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Paul Moore @ 2002-06-07 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai writes: > I gather that you are happy with ticking (`!') for the > keep-because-I-need-to-get-to-them messages. So far, yes. (And I see no reason why that would change...) > So it remains to see what to do about those that you keep but don't > need to see every time. > > For them, you should separate mail from news. > > In mail, unless you have total-expire turned on, you can just mark the > messages as read. They will not be deleted, they will not be > displayed by default. Just what you want. > > If you do have total-expire turned on, or on news, this is not what > you want. I do have total-expire turned on. At least for mailing-list groups (which, to my mind, are effectively news under a different transport). For my non-total-expire mail groups, I do just mark things as read. I guess I need to get into the discipline of marking messages I *don't* want to retain as expirable. [[BTW, this raises a separate question - is there any sense in splitting my nnml method into two - one for mailing lists, where total-expire is on for all groups, and one for personal mail, where expiry is on a manual basis? I can see it being useful to make a clear distinction between the two use cases, but is the inconvenience of using two methods sufficient to make this a bad idea?]] > In this case, you could consider to mark them dormant. > > For news, another alternative (in addition to marking them dormant) > is to put them in the cache with `*'. They stay there, they are not > deleted, they are normally not displayed. > > To summarize: if you want to treat mail and news the same, I suggest > to (setq gnus-use-cache t) and to make nnml groups uncacheable (see > the variables gnus-cacheable-groups and gnus-uncacheable-groups). > Then you tick the `todo' messages and you mark the `archived' ones as > dormant. I'm using the Agent, so I presume that the cache isn't necessary? This is assuming that the agent expiry process does not expire ticked or dormant messages...? > (In this case, you could turn total-expire on, but you don't need > to.) I'm missing something here - why don't I need total-expire? I want to expire mailing-list type mail, without having to do so manually. And I'm using adaptive scoring, so auto-expire isn't a good idea... > If you want to treat mail and news separately, turn total-expire off > and mark messages as read for mail, and use the cache for news. > > What do you think? It sounds good. And I can add archiving to a separate group (as suggested by others) as a 3rd, even longer term (in some sense) way of saving articles. More possibilities than I'm ever likely to need :-) To try it out, I'll mark this posting as dormant now, as it's a great analysis of the situation, and I can see wanting to go back to it in the future... Thanks for the suggestions, and especially for the clear and detailed analysis of the different behaviours, which was possibly even more valuable than the specific suggestions :-) Paul. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Keeping interesting messages 2002-06-07 20:52 ` Paul Moore @ 2002-06-08 11:32 ` Kai Großjohann 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-06-08 11:32 UTC (permalink / raw) Paul Moore <gustav@morpheus.demon.co.uk> writes: > [[BTW, this raises a separate question - is there any sense in > splitting my nnml method into two - one for mailing lists, where > total-expire is on for all groups, and one for personal mail, where > expiry is on a manual basis? I can see it being useful to make a clear > distinction between the two use cases, but is the inconvenience of > using two methods sufficient to make this a bad idea?]] The mail-sources code currently only allows a single server to receive mail. While it would be possible to circumvent that, it would be a hassle. With two different servers, you could distinguish between the nnml+ml:foo groups (for mailing lists) and the nnml+pm:foo groups (for personal mail). But with one server, you can distinguish between nnml:ml.foo and nnml:pm.foo which IMHO is just as good. What do you think? kai -- ~/.signature is: umop 3p!sdn (Frank Nobis) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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