Removing the first nntp server from the list

Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Richmond]

If I have in .gnus a structure like

  (setq gnus-select-method

and then subsequently

  (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods

How do I remove the first server from the list? Should I just replace it
with the second server? I think the article numbers would be messed up.

Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Adam Sjøgren]

Richmond writes:

> If I have in .gnus a structure like
>
>   (setq gnus-select-method
>
> and then subsequently
>
>   (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods
>
> How do I remove the first server from the list? Should I just replace it
> with the second server? I think the article numbers would be messed up.

You can set gnus-select-method to '(nnnil) - then it will do nothing,
and everything else will be "secondary" select-methods. This way you
also avoid having the special case for the first method.


  Best regards,

    Adam

-- 
 "We can discuss sexism in survival situations when         Adam Sjøgren
  I get back."                                         asjo@koldfront.dk

Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Richmond]

Adam Sjøgren <asjo@koldfront.dk> writes:

> Richmond writes:
>
>> If I have in .gnus a structure like
>>
>>   (setq gnus-select-method
>>
>> and then subsequently
>>
>>   (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods
>>
>> How do I remove the first server from the list? Should I just replace it
>> with the second server? I think the article numbers would be messed up.
>
> You can set gnus-select-method to '(nnnil) - then it will do nothing,
> and everything else will be "secondary" select-methods. This way you
> also avoid having the special case for the first method.
>

Thanks it worked. I thought you had a repeating n key, but it's really a
thing, nnnil.

https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/gnus/nnnil.el

Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Sergey Organov]

Adam Sjøgren <asjo@koldfront.dk> writes:

> Richmond writes:
>
>> If I have in .gnus a structure like
>>
>>   (setq gnus-select-method
>>
>> and then subsequently
>>
>>   (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods
>>
>> How do I remove the first server from the list? Should I just replace it
>> with the second server? I think the article numbers would be messed up.
>
> You can set gnus-select-method to '(nnnil) - then it will do nothing,
> and everything else will be "secondary" select-methods. This way you
> also avoid having the special case for the first method.

I wonder why simple 'nil is not accepted as well: it's extremely
confusing.

Thanks,
-- Sergey Organov

Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Adam Sjøgren]

Sergey writes:

> I wonder why simple 'nil is not accepted as well: it's extremely
> confusing.

nnnil is the "do nothing" backend, the name is similar to eg nnimap,
nnspool, and nnmbox.

The historical split between the primary select method and the secondary
methods is more confusing to me :-)


  Best regards,

    Adam

-- 
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  You're way out of tune                               asjo@koldfront.dk
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Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Emanuel Berg]

Adam Sjøgren wrote:

> The historical split between the primary select method and
> the secondary methods is more confusing to me :-)

Exactly.

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Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Emanuel Berg]

Richmond wrote:

> Thanks it worked. I thought you had a repeating n key, but
> it's really a thing, nnnil.
>
> https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/gnus/nnnil.el

What's nn anyway, network news?

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underground experts united
https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> writes:

> Richmond wrote:
>
>> Thanks it worked. I thought you had a repeating n key, but
>> it's really a thing, nnnil.
>>
>> https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/gnus/nnnil.el
>
> What's nn anyway, network news?

The naming is built on the original protocol, nntp: Network News
Transfer Protocol. As Gnus grew the ability to speak more protocols,
they all got the same nn* prefix. I actually find it sort of handy for
distinguishing discussions about IMAP or maildir from the Gnus backends,
but I agree there shouldn't be any need for nnnil.

Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Emanuel Berg]

Eric Abrahamsen wrote:

>>> Thanks it worked. I thought you had a repeating n key, but
>>> it's really a thing, nnnil.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/gnus/nnnil.el
>>
>> What's nn anyway, network news?
>
> The naming is built on the original protocol, nntp: Network
> News Transfer Protocol. As Gnus grew the ability to speak
> more protocols, they all got the same nn* prefix. I actually
> find it sort of handy for distinguishing discussions about
> IMAP or maildir from the Gnus backends, but I agree there
> shouldn't be any need for nnnil.

That, the last thing, I didn't say tho.

We need nil (and /dev/null) so why not nnnil?

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underground experts united
https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Emanuel Berg]

> That, the last thing, I didn't say tho.
>
> We need nil (and /dev/null) so why not nnnil?

And `ignore' etc ...

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Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Richmond]

Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>
>>>> Thanks it worked. I thought you had a repeating n key, but
>>>> it's really a thing, nnnil.
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/gnus/nnnil.el
>>>
>>> What's nn anyway, network news?
>>
>> The naming is built on the original protocol, nntp: Network
>> News Transfer Protocol. As Gnus grew the ability to speak
>> more protocols, they all got the same nn* prefix. I actually
>> find it sort of handy for distinguishing discussions about
>> IMAP or maildir from the Gnus backends, but I agree there
>> shouldn't be any need for nnnil.
>
> That, the last thing, I didn't say tho.
>
> We need nil (and /dev/null) so why not nnnil?

We needs The Knights Who Say nnnil!

Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Emanuel Berg]

Richmond wrote:

>> We need nil (and /dev/null) so why not nnnil?
>
> We needs The Knights Who Say nnnil!

Heroes of nnnight and nnnagic!

-- 
underground experts united
https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list

[Richmond]

Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:

> Adam Sjøgren <asjo@koldfront.dk> writes:
>
>> Richmond writes:
>>
>>> If I have in .gnus a structure like
>>>
>>>   (setq gnus-select-method
>>>
>>> and then subsequently
>>>
>>>   (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods
>>>
>>> How do I remove the first server from the list? Should I just replace it
>>> with the second server? I think the article numbers would be messed up.
>>
>> You can set gnus-select-method to '(nnnil) - then it will do nothing,
>> and everything else will be "secondary" select-methods. This way you
>> also avoid having the special case for the first method.
>>
>
> Thanks it worked. I thought you had a repeating n key, but it's really a
> thing, nnnil.
>
> https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/gnus/nnnil.el

I think I have discovered an unexpected side effect of this, which is
that I no longer have a folder containing sent articles. Can I create a
new one? Maybe it is just a coincidence but I used to have a folder with
sent articles in, and now I do not.