From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/4876 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alexander Syrov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: speed of Gnus Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:54:33 +0400 Organization: Vyatka, Russia Message-ID: References: <1113209096.21@user.newsoffice.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1138670742 25235 80.91.229.2 (31 Jan 2006 01:25:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: nobody Tue Jan 17 17:34:26 2006 Original-Path: quimby.gnus.org!newsfeed1.e.nsc.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!tsicnews.teliasonera.com!aioe.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: BQOpb7MdSVJyJOmjM+LQiA.domitilla.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Original-Xref: bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de gnus-emacs-gnus:5017 Original-Lines: 83 X-Gnus-Article-Number: 5017 Tue Jan 17 17:34:26 2006 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:4876 Archived-At: Hello, Peter. On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:44:56 +0200 Peter Petersen wrote: 2 years or so ago I too switched from Forte Agent to Gnus. At first I had the same problems as you describe. After a while I realized that using a newsreader the "Gnus way" is also quite comfortable. You can't make Gnus generate summary for thousands of articles quickly enough, but possibly you may live without seeing all those articles at once. PP> Well I always do it this way; it doesn't mean that I read all those PP> articles (oh NO!), but I can search through them for keywords like "via PP> ac97", "crypto file system" or whatever. Searching for articles is much more effective with some indexing software. I use namazu and gnus-namazu.el. Another alternative is nnir.el. It takes a few seconds to process a query and build a virtual group containing the matching articles. PP> easily switch between PP> offline and online mode J j (gnus-agent-toggle-plugged) works in summary and group buffers. PP> (or use them simultaneously: downloading headers PP> in _one_ group, downloading bodies in other groups - while at the same PP> time selectively opening articles in some groups via visual inspection PP> and just because I am curious...), Lack of asyncronous operation is an evident drawback of Gnus. Unfortunately, this functionality can't be easily implemented in Emacs. PP> I can easily watch threads and "lock" PP> articles which thusly are protected against deleting or "compacting" the PP> database (or expiring). You can do it with Gnus. When would you like to mark an article? If you read it the first time or if you come back to it while searching. In the former case, Gnus shows you all the recently fetched articles in default setup (and the old articles in the same threads if you set gnus-fetch-old-headers to t). In the latter case you may search for articles with indexing software. It is much more productive than manually watching over thousands of message headers. PP> - Do slrn or tin offer a way to save interesting articles in such a way PP> that they are visible _inside_ the corresponding group? (like Gnus does PP> with its caching or Forte Agent with its "lock symbol"). I don't think PP> so. You probably need a local newsserver. Gnus Agent eliminates the need for it, but it is neccessary with other newsreaders if you want to create an offline storage for articles. You may try e.g. leafnode. PP> On the other hand scoring (and all the complex possibilities with Gnus) PP> is totally unimportant to me. I recommend you to try using scoring. It helps to deal with lots of mail & news much more quickly. PP> - Can slrn (or tin) save articles in the group? PP> If so: I will switch from Gnus to slrn, most likely ;-) If you definitely can't change you habits, it seems to be the best solution. You may use slrn + local leafnode server. But I recommend to try following the "Gnus way" of reading news for a week or two before taking this decision. Maybe you'll like it better. PP> - How to speed up Gnus (if at all possible)? Not to the extent you want. PP> - How do you get along with Gnus and with huge groups? My news archive (Gnus Agent cache) is over 1 Gb large and contains over 230,000 messages. But I rarely have more than 300-500 articles in summary buffer at once. Scoring helps me to sort out new articles I don't want to read and gnus-namazu allows to search for old articles quickly and effectively. -- Regards, Alexander Syrov.