* Position of mail in *Groups* buffer
@ 2005-11-09 1:24 Joe Fineman
2005-11-09 1:37 ` Bastien
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From: Joe Fineman @ 2005-11-09 1:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
I use Gnus to read my mail as well as to browse newsgroups. When I
bring it up, the *Groups* buffer puts my mail between the 13th & 14th
of the 16 groups listed in ~/.newsrc -- e.g.
[...]
11: rec.music.folk
2: nnml:mail.misc
51: sci.lang
1: alt.books.george-orwell
53: soc.motss
What is the reason for this curious behavior? Is it possible to get
the mail "group" first in the list?
Also, is there an easy way -- short of naming away .newsrc -- to tell
Gnus, this time, just to bring up my mail & not bother with the
newsgroups?
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* Re: Position of mail in *Groups* buffer
2005-11-09 1:24 Position of mail in *Groups* buffer Joe Fineman
@ 2005-11-09 1:37 ` Bastien
2005-11-09 9:15 ` Reiner Steib
2005-11-11 2:50 ` Joe Fineman
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From: Bastien @ 2005-11-09 1:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
Joe Fineman writes:
> What is the reason for this curious behavior? Is it possible to get
> the mail "group" first in the list?
If you're not using topics, just C-k the nnml group, and C-y it on the
top of the list.
> Also, is there an easy way -- short of naming away .newsrc -- to
> tell Gnus, this time, just to bring up my mail & not bother with the
> newsgroups?
(gnus-no-server) should be enough.
You could also assign levels to your groups with S l. Then
C-u [level] gnus
will activate the groups that are below [level].
If you set your nnml groups to level 3 and your nntp groups to level
4, then C-u 3 gnus will show you your mails, and C-u 4 gnus will show
you mails+news.
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Bastien
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* Re: Position of mail in *Groups* buffer
2005-11-09 1:37 ` Bastien
@ 2005-11-09 9:15 ` Reiner Steib
2005-11-09 18:25 ` Bastien
2005-11-11 2:50 ` Joe Fineman
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From: Reiner Steib @ 2005-11-09 9:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Wed, Nov 09 2005, Bastien wrote:
> Joe Fineman writes:
>> Also, is there an easy way -- short of naming away .newsrc -- to
>> tell Gnus, this time, just to bring up my mail & not bother with the
>> newsgroups?
>
> (gnus-no-server) should be enough.
[...]
> If you set your nnml groups to level 3 and your nntp groups to level
> 4, then C-u 3 gnus will show you your mails, and C-u 4 gnus will show
> you mails+news.
Just little correction:
,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Levels") ]
| It is recommended that you keep all your mail groups (if any) on
| quite low levels (e.g. 1 or 2).
`----
,----[ (info "(gnus)The Server is Down") ]
| If you know that the server is definitely down, or you just want to
| read your mail without bothering with the server at all, you can use the
| `gnus-no-server' command to start Gnus. That might come in handy if
| you're in a hurry as well. This command will not attempt to contact
| your primary server--instead, it will just activate all groups on level
| 1 and 2. (You should preferably keep no native groups on those two
| levels.) Also *note Group Levels::.
`----
Bye, Reiner.
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* Re: Position of mail in *Groups* buffer
2005-11-09 9:15 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2005-11-09 18:25 ` Bastien
2005-11-09 20:49 ` Reiner Steib
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From: Bastien @ 2005-11-09 18:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
Reiner Steib writes:
> Just little correction:
>
> ,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Levels") ]
> | It is recommended that you keep all your mail groups (if any) on
> | quite low levels (e.g. 1 or 2).
> `----
Any hints about the "why" ? I don't see any justification of this in
the manual.
So far I've been setting mail groups at different levels - including 3
and 4 - and everything works quite well.
*Except* that, from time to time, new mails are marked as old mails
(it happens in very large mail groups and even with mail groups at
level 1 & 2)...
Could this strange behavior be related to the above recommandation?
--
Bastien
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* Re: Position of mail in *Groups* buffer
2005-11-09 18:25 ` Bastien
@ 2005-11-09 20:49 ` Reiner Steib
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From: Reiner Steib @ 2005-11-09 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Wed, Nov 09 2005, Bastien wrote:
> Reiner Steib writes:
[...]
>> ,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Levels") ]
>> | It is recommended that you keep all your mail groups (if any) on
>> | quite low levels (e.g. 1 or 2).
>> `----
>
> Any hints about the "why" ? I don't see any justification of this in
> the manual.
I think it's because `gnus-no-server' activates groups at level 1 and
2, see the internal function `gnus-no-server-1':
,----[ <f1> f gnus-no-server-1 RET ]
| gnus-no-server-1 is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `gnus-start.el'.
| (gnus-no-server-1 &optional arg slave)
|
| Read network news.
| If arg is a positive number, Gnus will use that as the
| startup level. If arg is nil, Gnus will be started at level 2.
| If arg is non-nil and not a positive number, Gnus will
| prompt the user for the name of an NNTP server to use.
| As opposed to `gnus', this command will not connect to the local server.
`----
More precise, it should read "`gnus-level-default-subscribed' minus
one" instead of "2".
> So far I've been setting mail groups at different levels - including 3
> and 4 - and everything works quite well.
>
> *Except* that, from time to time, new mails are marked as old mails
> (it happens in very large mail groups and even with mail groups at
> level 1 & 2)...
>
> Could this strange behavior be related to the above recommandation?
Probably not.
Bye, Reiner.
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* Re: Position of mail in *Groups* buffer
2005-11-09 1:37 ` Bastien
2005-11-09 9:15 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2005-11-11 2:50 ` Joe Fineman
2005-11-11 3:19 ` Bastien
2005-11-11 8:22 ` Reiner Steib
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From: Joe Fineman @ 2005-11-11 2:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
Bastien <bastien@xxx.fr> writes:
> Joe Fineman writes:
>
>> What is the reason for this curious behavior?
[Referring to the fact that my mail came up in an odd place in the
list of newsgroups.]
>> Is it possible to get the mail "group" first in the list?
>
> If you're not using topics, just C-k the nnml group, and C-y it on
> the top of the list.
I rashly tried this -- rashly, in that I do not know the meaning of
the phrase "using topics". C-k got rid of the nnml group, but I
couldn't bring it back, even after doing toggle-read-only. I tried
pasting the line back in, but Gnus couldn't see it -- it kept saying
there was no group on the line.
Now, Gnus downloads my mail as before, but I can't read it within Gnus
-- I have to go to ~/mail/Mail/misc. Restarting Gnus, or Emacs, does
no good.
Can someone help me get back to normal?
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* Re: Position of mail in *Groups* buffer
2005-11-11 2:50 ` Joe Fineman
@ 2005-11-11 3:19 ` Bastien
2005-11-11 17:56 ` Joe Fineman
2005-11-11 8:22 ` Reiner Steib
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From: Bastien @ 2005-11-11 3:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
Joe Fineman <joe_f@verizon.net> writes:
> I rashly tried this -- rashly, in that I do not know the meaning of
> the phrase "using topics".
See (info "(gnus)Group Topics")
> C-k got rid of the nnml group, but I couldn't bring it back, even
> after doing toggle-read-only.
Did you try to copy the nnml group with C-y as i mentionned?
> I tried pasting the line back in, but Gnus couldn't see it -- it
> kept saying there was no group on the line.
What about `j' in the summary buffer? Then you enter the name of your
group - e.g. "nnml:mail.misc" - and toggle subscription with `u'.
> Now, Gnus downloads my mail as before, but I can't read it within Gnus
> -- I have to go to ~/mail/Mail/misc. Restarting Gnus, or Emacs, does
> no good.
In fact. Your mails are still in the mail.misc group, you just need
to subscribe to this group again.
If you can't find it by jumping on it with `j', list killed groups
with `A k'.
> Can someone help me get back to normal?
Hope this help... (i feel guilty about the C-k hint, but i don't know
any other way to rearrange groups order)
--
Bastien
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* Re: Position of mail in *Groups* buffer
2005-11-11 2:50 ` Joe Fineman
2005-11-11 3:19 ` Bastien
@ 2005-11-11 8:22 ` Reiner Steib
2005-11-11 17:58 ` Joe Fineman
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From: Reiner Steib @ 2005-11-11 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Fri, Nov 11 2005, Joe Fineman wrote:
> I rashly tried this -- rashly, in that I do not know the meaning of
> the phrase "using topics".
(info "(gnus)Group Topics")
Bye, Reiner.
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* Re: Position of mail in *Groups* buffer
2005-11-11 3:19 ` Bastien
@ 2005-11-11 17:56 ` Joe Fineman
2005-11-12 2:12 ` Bastien
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From: Joe Fineman @ 2005-11-11 17:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
Bastien <bastien@xxx.fr> writes:
>> C-k got rid of the nnml group, but I couldn't bring it back, even
>> after doing toggle-read-only.
>
> Did you try to copy the nnml group with C-y as i mentionned?
Yes, but it didn't work -- it wasn't in the kill ring. Possibly I
didn't try soon enough; I forgot to do toggle-read-only in advance.
> What about `j' in the summary buffer? Then you enter the name of
> your group - e.g. "nnml:mail.misc" - and toggle subscription with
> `u'.
That worked. %^)
> Hope this help... (i feel guilty about the C-k hint, but i don't
> know any other way to rearrange groups order)
No need to feel guilty -- I probably neglected something obvious. I
greatly appreciate the existence of Emacs & Gnus, but owing to a sort
of mindblindness, and to not being part of the culture, I have a lot
of difficulty finding my way thru documentation and understanding &
following advice.
Thank you very much for your help & patience.
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* Re: Position of mail in *Groups* buffer
2005-11-11 8:22 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2005-11-11 17:58 ` Joe Fineman
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From: Joe Fineman @ 2005-11-11 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
Reiner Steib <reinersteib+from-uce@imap.cc> writes:
> (info "(gnus)Group Topics")
Thank you. %^)
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* Re: Position of mail in *Groups* buffer
2005-11-11 17:56 ` Joe Fineman
@ 2005-11-12 2:12 ` Bastien
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From: Bastien @ 2005-11-12 2:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
Joe Fineman <joe_f@verizon.net> writes:
>> Did you try to copy the nnml group with C-y as i mentionned?
>
> Yes, but it didn't work -- it wasn't in the kill ring. Possibly I
> didn't try soon enough; I forgot to do toggle-read-only in advance.
Anyway, `toggle-read-only' seems odd to me here. Gnus implements its
own C-k and C-y. Killing and yanking groups does not mean *writing* in
the group buffer...
> That worked. %^)
Great!
> I have a lot of difficulty finding my way thru documentation and
> understanding & following advice.
Dont forget M-x apropos RET gnus.*whatever
> Thank you very much for your help & patience.
No problem!
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Bastien
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