using a smtp server (not sendmail)

using a smtp server (not sendmail)

[Uri Guttman]

is there any way to get emacs/gnus to use my isp's smtp server directly?
from what i can find it uses /usr/xxx/sendmail (which in my case is
provided by qmail). my problem really is that verizon fios outbound smtp
required authentication and qmail doesn't support that without a
patch. since outbound isn't an issue (i do use qmail for inbound just
fine) i thought i could bypass it inside emacs/gnus. only a few symbols
are found with smtp in them.

thanx,

uri

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Re: using a smtp server (not sendmail)

[Gernot Hassenpflug]

Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com> writes:

> is there any way to get emacs/gnus to use my isp's smtp server directly?
> from what i can find it uses /usr/xxx/sendmail (which in my case is
> provided by qmail). my problem really is that verizon fios outbound smtp
> required authentication and qmail doesn't support that without a
> patch. since outbound isn't an issue (i do use qmail for inbound just
> fine) i thought i could bypass it inside emacs/gnus. only a few symbols
> are found with smtp in them.

Hi, from what I gather, gnus uses either sendmail, or an smtp.el
package to do the job itself.
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Re: using a smtp server (not sendmail)

[Gernot Hassenpflug]

Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com> writes:

> is there any way to get emacs/gnus to use my isp's smtp server directly?
> from what i can find it uses /usr/xxx/sendmail (which in my case is
> provided by qmail). my problem really is that verizon fios outbound smtp
> required authentication and qmail doesn't support that without a
> patch. since outbound isn't an issue (i do use qmail for inbound just
> fine) i thought i could bypass it inside emacs/gnus. only a few symbols
> are found with smtp in them.

gnus is a MUA, with MTA ability added with something like
smtp.el. It's not as featureful and powerful as the sendmail program
of course.

If you put a simple MTA on your machine (nullmailer,
esmtp,ssmtp,nbsmtp, or configure exim4 or postfix to act as satellite
MTAs) you'll probably have a better time of it. That MTA also receives
the mail for you if you have local delivery. AFAIK gnus cannot deliver
mail to you, but needs a backend (calling fetchmail, for instance).

HTH
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Re: using a smtp server (not sendmail)

[Tassilo Horn]

Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com> writes:

Hi Uri,

> is there any way to get emacs/gnus to use my isp's smtp server
> directly?

Sure, it's Gnus!

That's what I use. Adapt it too your needs.

,----[ ~/.gnus.el ]
| (require 'smtpmail)
| (setq send-mail-with-sendmail nil
|       send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
|       message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
|       smtpmail-smtp-server "my.isp-smtp.invalid")
`----

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Re: using a smtp server (not sendmail)

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, May 11 2007, Tassilo Horn wrote:

> | (setq send-mail-with-sendmail nil

I can't find this variable in Emacs 22.

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Re: using a smtp server (not sendmail)

[Tassilo Horn]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

Hi Reiner,

>> | (setq send-mail-with-sendmail nil
>
> I can't find this variable in Emacs 22.

And I don't, too. Maybe it's a relict of older emacsen or gnusae, or
simply a product of my mind. ;-)

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Re: using a smtp server (not sendmail)

[Reiner Steib]

On Sat, May 12 2007, Tassilo Horn wrote:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>>> | (setq send-mail-with-sendmail nil
>>
>> I can't find this variable in Emacs 22.
>
> And I don't, too. Maybe it's a relict of older emacsen or gnusae,

cvs-HEAD/emacs/lisp$ grep "[^-]send-mail-with-sendmail" ChangeLog* */ChangeLog*
[no output]
No/lisp$ grep "[^-]send-mail-with-sendmail" ChangeLog*
[no output]

> or simply a product of my mind. ;-)

:-) Or some nonsense Webpage.

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Re: using a smtp server (not sendmail)

[Dieter Kluenter]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>
> Hi Reiner,
>
>>> | (setq send-mail-with-sendmail nil
>>
>> I can't find this variable in Emacs 22.
>
> And I don't, too. Maybe it's a relict of older emacsen or gnusae, or
> simply a product of my mind. ;-)

It is an XEmacs function

,----[ f1 v sendmail-send-it RET ]
| `sendmail-send-it' is a compiled Lisp function
|   -- loaded from "sendmail"
| (sendmail-send-it)
| 
| Documentation:
| Send the current mail buffer using the Sendmail package.
| This is a suitable value for `send-mail-function'.  It sends using the
| external program defined by `sendmail-program'.
`----

-Dieter

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Re: using a smtp server (not sendmail)

[Dieter Kluenter]

Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com> writes:

> is there any way to get emacs/gnus to use my isp's smtp server directly?
> from what i can find it uses /usr/xxx/sendmail (which in my case is
> provided by qmail). my problem really is that verizon fios outbound smtp
> required authentication and qmail doesn't support that without a
> patch. since outbound isn't an issue (i do use qmail for inbound just
> fine) i thought i could bypass it inside emacs/gnus. only a few symbols
> are found with smtp in them.

from my ~/.xemacs/custom.el

,----[ custom.el ]
| '(message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
| '(smtp-default-server "\"my.smtp.host\"")
| '(ssl-certificate-directory "/home/dieter/certs")
| '(ssl-certificate-verification-policy 1)
| '(tls-process-connection-type t)
`----

from my ~/.authinfo

,----[ authinfo ]
| machine "my.smtp.host" login "my.identity" password "my.passwd"
`----

-Dieter

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