From: JibStyle <jibstyle209@gmail.com> To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Subject: Re: nnimap gmail "A T" and "^" not working Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 16:19:16 -0700 [thread overview] Message-ID: <vriuy1yxglfv.fsf@gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <878rqym5y5.fsf@ust.hk> Andrew Cohen <acohen@ust.hk> writes: > For me, the failure of "A T" is arising because the 'references header > in the emails within a thread are not right. In particular, this header > is supposed to include most of the message-ids in the thread that the > message is aware of (e.g. if its the 4th message in a chain of replies > this header should contain the message-ids of all the prior messages; if > this list of prior messages is extremely long the spec allows dropping > part of it). But for the cases where "A T" fails this header contains > only a /single/ message-id, that of the immediate prior email. This > prevents the full thread from being found. Yes, I observed this issue as well. As a workaround, pressing "A T" multiple times works to walk back up the chain, although there is a network delay. For articles where "References" header includes all previous messages, "A T" works in a single invocation as expected. > The most likely explanation is that the mailer used by the sender is not > adding the full references header. I assumed it was gmail that was > responsible, but a closer look at the messages on which "A T" fails > shows that they were all sent by the iphone mailer. So while I haven't > done any exhaustive testing, this is my current culprit. But I am > curious if others are seeing the same thing. This sounds plausible to me. I did observe that emails sent by the iPhone Mail application exhibit the headers you detailed below. However, I am not familiar with the rules of email protocol and what is considered "acceptable". > So jibstyle maybe you can help with some testing? First, for the > purposes of the test can you > 1. Set 'gnus-refer-thread-use-search to 'nil, > 2. Enter the "[Gmail]/All Mail" group and find an article late in the > thread on which you know thread referral fails to find the full thread. > Examine the headers of this article (by typing C-g when point is on the > article in the summary buffer) and see what is in the References > header? And what mailer was used to send the message? > > For example when I do this I find the headers contain > > In-Reply-To: <CAKfuin7MPjj5m@mail.gmail.com> > References: <CAKfuin7MPjj5m@mail.gmail.com> > X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19E258) > > which shows that the References header only contains the immediately > prior email's message-id but not that of any of the other messages. Thanks for helping out here. I'm novice in email protocol. My `gnus-refer-thread-use-search' is nil. Yes, I can reproduce the iPhone specific issue you described above (see Issue1 below). In fact, I am also experiencing two additional issues (Issue2 and Issue3 below), for which I do not believe iPhone is culprit (can repro using only Gnus). To reproduce all these issues, I sent and replied to emails to myself to produce the necessary thread structures. Summary of my three separate nnimap+gmail "A T" issues: - Issue1: Grandparent not found when only one "References" entry. - Issue2: Parent from different group not found. - Issue3: Siblings and descendants not found. Reproduction steps, Issue1: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- - FirstArticle - SecondArticle - ThirdArticle --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- - Use iPhone Mail app with Gmail IMAP backend to produce above message thread. As Andrew suspected, ThirdArticle only includes its immediate parent (SecondArticle) in "References" header. - Read FirstArticle and SecondArticle. - In Gnus, go to "[Gmail]/All Mail" summary buffer. You should only see ThirdArticle. Now press "A T". - EXPECTED: SecondArticle and FirstArticle should appear. - ACTUAL: SecondArticle appears, but not FirstArticle. Reproduction steps, Issue2: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- - ParentArticle - ChildArticle --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- - Use `gnus-summary-post-news' and `gnus-summary-followup' to produce above message thread. - Copy ChildArticle to some IMAP folder e.g. "mail.testing". - In Gnus, go to "mail.testing" summary buffer. You should only see ChildArticle. Now press "A T". Also try "C-u A T" (to reverse `gnus-refer-thread-use-search'). - EXPECTED: ParentArticle should appear. - ACTUAL: ParentArticle does not appear. Reproduction steps, Issue3: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- - RootArticle - ChildA - GrandchildA - ChildB - GrandchildB --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- - Use `gnus-summary-post-news' and `gnus-summary-followup' to produce above message tree with two branches. - Read all articles except ChildA. - In Gnus, go to "[Gmail]/All Mail" summary buffer. You should only see ChildA. Now press "A T". - EXPECTED: RootArticle, GrandchildA, ChildB, and GrandchildB should appear. - RESULT: RootArticle appears. GrandchildA does not appear. ChildB and GrandchildB do not appear. Please let me know your thoughts on these issues, or any followup questions. In the meantime, I can find workarounds. Thank you!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-05-19 23:19 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2022-05-18 6:14 JibStyle 2022-05-18 7:37 ` Byung-Hee HWANG 2022-05-18 19:49 ` JibStyle 2022-05-18 21:54 ` Byung-Hee HWANG 2022-05-18 16:38 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2022-05-18 20:15 ` JibStyle 2022-05-18 20:45 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2022-05-19 0:00 ` Andrew Cohen 2022-05-19 2:41 ` JibStyle 2022-05-19 5:45 ` Andrew Cohen 2022-05-19 23:19 ` JibStyle [this message] 2022-05-20 0:06 ` Andrew Cohen 2022-05-20 22:01 ` JibStyle
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