From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/4527 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Z Maze Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: Is the modern Internet destroying GNUS? Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:09:12 -0500 Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: References: <877jl7hvm3.fsf@outershell.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1138670420 23643 80.91.229.2 (31 Jan 2006 01:20:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: nobody Tue Jan 17 17:33:54 2006 Original-Path: quimby.gnus.org!newsfeed1.e.nsc.no!uio.no!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!dreaderd!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEUGBgS83KhoOivUeFmC pXj4o39qeFZD1JPmAAACOklEQVR4nE2UQY/bIBCFkVPlbpX0bA2tz7sQcl5SlnsWc7cclv// E/oGjNNxokjz8eYxA7HwR9xLKQGRC4eQezqUj7KWnDOzAOB3EjaBKDl4KPARzkvpAIqoUTwI a2op6WVoeXHOlfgsnJPM1kl0SdMIFEJ0AaIJshiRhkCsHbC/51LycKDmgiw2jVJy9B9IDPNN U5NkSMQoR+c5/zTW3qjZgwg5ylpJ2YT4wubO7FEVEs0NhvPJaqzxDaDS2gUpGUjyDkau9NxB fKsmu4Ir2XSpwAjxYwfsfeqlbJwqcAwwcLINxGRWtIhhMEB7ZLoAJudd4aE42e4RCQDjYMXK CpS6XOBtNM7EVfPAbRgihfU08Sg9jqIr9G9JJuo70cCty66gwY6kzJ9xIygyJs7mDNQcSEUV iPSE1qt5mLgUkcGj8ExTbrvii2CwG3UCQkxUXDUPE03KIqPw8Iq33IBfUcbw/Ez9eeo8VvPr qrRNj2RU1DjeaN6cG8c6RKVNnTg+GIDWfAkPBVdK2jC84fCq4n4yik+VNICNtoPlPkScrKmh bPw+FIGSYmBrOUPeNfATjajPpFXtMl0Hvyt4imfzqDvC9zZ3cAEYvlt/ADq7rvDbNKj3RuxC B7gsZRWzbSAaymNXSPxjia8id1GmV6kUyjDMf9vd3daXAiYFd4GvXNzmaT7AspRyJnoif6Nn Ob8UC94fN6KybTSbvB0e46d3Tyzm+I7v4QWW5WGswZulXFNyv/4DGFvqYRv4BxSm28ZwQ4mv AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Face: &OO..E]'&$Q?jm[7H$]lCS"t#FD[|jK.HfvP#![KZ`/,O)lQ(pE<2QS1i~K3+u\{Bh"(4h4G0W#R-F2zZNO6n\!8bk;tu%)f>y{C` P*^7yM`e/x"b1q[?^-9zxTp User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (usg-unix-v) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ngJ+hT47SWdIs0v4mNsoZRvatrA= Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: CONTENTS-VNDER-PRESSVRE.MIT.EDU Original-X-Trace: 1108667353 senator-bedfellow.mit.edu 571 18.7.16.67 Original-Xref: bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de gnus-emacs-gnus:4668 Original-Lines: 32 X-Gnus-Article-Number: 4668 Tue Jan 17 17:33:54 2006 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:4527 Archived-At: pip writes: > I'm a recent addition to the Gnus user base and really appreciate its > power and flexibility but feel a little disappointed I can't use it as > I would like. With usenet full of spam and emails full of HTML and > unquoted references I have a nasty feeling there will never be a way I > can happily use Gnus at work. > > Outlook and Lotus notes are destroying the web :( > > Anyway, may I ask how other users cope with these annoyances? I personally use spam.el to sort out my spam, using the spam-stat.el statistical scoring package as a backend. (This is nice for portability -- I use the same data on several different systems with a shared filesystem -- and not quite so good for performance, but it does do a reasonably good job.) HTML mail I mostly have the luxury of ignoring. It seems like most of the world has finally recognized that there must be at least one text part, even if the text refers to other bits of text in red or italicized or whatever. You can also hook up either the (old) Emacs w3-mode or the standalone w3m Web browser to read HTML mail. My big annoyance is actually that I can't do things like drop a text/x-patch part in the middle of my messages in the general case, because I know most readers (including many of the "friendly" *nix-based ones) won't present the message the same way Gnus does. Which is sad, because Gnus does a pretty nice job, and as a coder being able to discuss small patches is useful. --dzm