From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/6968 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Z Maze Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:24:41 -0400 Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1143992441 14045 80.91.229.2 (2 Apr 2006 15:40:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 02 17:40:41 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQ4gm-0007Yc-BI for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 17:40:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQ4gj-0006oD-L4 for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:40:25 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!dreaderd!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEUGBgS83KhoOivUeFmC pXj4o39qeFZD1JPmAAACOklEQVR4nE2UQY/bIBCFkVPlbpX0bA2tz7sQcl5SlnsWc7cclv// E/oGjNNxokjz8eYxA7HwR9xLKQGRC4eQezqUj7KWnDOzAOB3EjaBKDl4KPARzkvpAIqoUTwI a2op6WVoeXHOlfgsnJPM1kl0SdMIFEJ0AaIJshiRhkCsHbC/51LycKDmgiw2jVJy9B9IDPNN U5NkSMQoR+c5/zTW3qjZgwg5ylpJ2YT4wubO7FEVEs0NhvPJaqzxDaDS2gUpGUjyDkau9NxB fKsmu4Ir2XSpwAjxYwfsfeqlbJwqcAwwcLINxGRWtIhhMEB7ZLoAJudd4aE42e4RCQDjYMXK CpS6XOBtNM7EVfPAbRgihfU08Sg9jqIr9G9JJuo70cCty66gwY6kzJ9xIygyJs7mDNQcSEUV iPSE1qt5mLgUkcGj8ExTbrvii2CwG3UCQkxUXDUPE03KIqPw8Iq33IBfUcbw/Ez9eeo8VvPr qrRNj2RU1DjeaN6cG8c6RKVNnTg+GIDWfAkPBVdK2jC84fCq4n4yik+VNICNtoPlPkScrKmh bPw+FIGSYmBrOUPeNfATjajPpFXtMl0Hvyt4imfzqDvC9zZ3cAEYvlt/ADq7rvDbNKj3RuxC B7gsZRWzbSAaymNXSPxjia8id1GmV6kUyjDMf9vd3daXAiYFd4GvXNzmaT7AspRyJnoif6Nn Ob8UC94fN6KybTSbvB0e46d3Tyzm+I7v4QWW5WGswZulXFNyv/4DGFvqYRv4BxSm28ZwQ4mv AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Face: &OO..E]'&$Q?jm[7H$]lCS"t#FD[|jK.HfvP#![KZ`/, O)lQ(pE<2QS1i~K3+u\{Bh"(4h4G0W#R-F2zZNO6n\!8bk; tu%)f>y{C` P*^7yM`e/x"b1q[?^-9zxTp User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/21.4 (usg-unix-v) Cancel-Lock: sha1:9jdvLkWAlPU2MdeAjSLbjJVpSds= Original-Lines: 29 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: CONTENTS-VNDER-PRESSVRE.MIT.EDU Original-X-Trace: 1143991482 senator-bedfellow.mit.edu 569 18.7.16.67 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.gnus:77151 Original-To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:6968 Archived-At: Rodolfo Medina writes: > Some old messages sent to the present newsgroup > are not accessible, it seems, if I search for them via > nntp server, whereas they're seen through web interface > and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list. > How come? Because even just "current" news is a huge disk space and bandwidth consumer, so it's standard practice for news servers to only keep around a small amount of recent history (maybe the past month) and expire articles beyond that. If you have infinite disk space and bandwidth than it's reasonable to archive all of Usenet (hi, Google Groups); if you're only archiving a specific group than the requirements become much more reasonable. I know you can use Gnus to preserve specific articles, and you can probably combine an nntp group and a Web archive for historical purposes, but I don't know details on either off hand. > Maybe there are some other nntp servers to read the present newsgroup, > besides news.gmane.org and news.gnus.org? gnu.emacs.gnus is "a normal Usenet group" (in a way that gmane groups generally aren't) and so any Usenet server that carries the gnu.* hierarchy would have it. (I'm reading on news.mit.edu, but you generally need to be inside MIT's network to use it.) --dzm