Re: auto-subscribe

Re: auto-subscribe

[Simon Josefsson]

kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
>
>> I'm not sure either.  Nnimap should return all groups to Gnus, and it
>> has done this for quite a while I think.  There is no way to list only
>> new groups.  Make sure you don't disable this (some people do, since
>> it is very slow) by frobbing `gnus-check-new-newsgroups' to e.g. nil.
>
> But isn't there a new echo area message saying something list
> `Listing subscriptions'?  I don't know for sure, but I always thought
> this appeared in recent Oorts, maybe 0.05-ish or 0.06-ish.

I checked, and it seems that it has been there since day one (at least
in Gnus CVS).  However, I have always set that variable to nil because
it is slow so I have never seen it.

Re: auto-subscribe -> IMAP woes

[Kester Clegg]

kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> > I'd like gnus to just go ahead and create the new group according to my
> > split rules and show me the group with its new mail in the group buffer.
> 
> I think Gnus 5.9 does not know how to ask the IMAP server for a list
> of groups.  Therefore, it doesn't know whether its own list of groups
> is up to date.

How do you mean its own list of groups?  

I just rebooted my machine, fired up emacs with gnus and bam!
Half-a-dozen files were created in my home directory (INBOX.blah,
INBOX.blah1, etc).  I deleted them, thinking gnus must have copied them
off the server, and lo and behold, I now no longer have these groups
either on locally or on the IMAP server...

God, I'm beginning to hate IMAP and gnus...

Why did I ever move away from pop3?  <despairinghowl> I've wasted so
much time... <\despairinghowl> 


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Re: auto-subscribe -> IMAP woes

[Kester Clegg]

Kester Clegg <kester@RemoveThisBit.cs.york.ac.uk> writes:

> I just rebooted my machine, fired up emacs with gnus and bam!
> Half-a-dozen files were created in my home directory (INBOX.blah,
> INBOX.blah1, etc). Without thinking (yep), I deleted these thinking
> the groups should be kept on the imap server.

I seem to have screwed up my imap groups after all this and lost lots of
mail.  Can anyone help me with 2 questions:

1 Why is gnus suddenly creating all my imap groups locally, instead of
on the server?

2 My old subscriptions on the imap server vanished too.  Now, the group
parameters seem not to match the 'new' groups that are beginning to
appear on the imap server?  In particular, I now get the error message
below, even when that group is then subscribed.  What should I do?

nnimap: Group INBOX.Work.dept is not uidvalid.  Continue? (yes or no) 



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Re: auto-subscribe -> IMAP woes

[Kester Clegg]

kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> 
> With this question, just say yes.  Also do G p on the group and
> delete the (uidvalidity foo) entry (including exactly one pair of
> parentheses).
> 

Thanks Kai, I panic much too quickly!

> I have no idea why Gnus created groups local to your machine.  You've
> got to show your config in such cases.

;;--------gnus and mail stuff---------------------------------------

(setq user-mail-address "kester@cs.york.ac.uk")
(setq user-full-name "Kester Clegg")

;; enable automatic authentication on news server so I can (occasionally) read news
(setq gnus-select-method 
	(quote (nntp "news.york.ac.uk" 
	(nntp-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo"))))

(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
      '(
	(nnml "private")
	(nnimap ""
		(nnimap-address "minster.cs.york.ac.uk")
		(nnimap-server-port 993)
		(nnimap-stream ssl)
		(nnimap-list-pattern ("INBOX"))
;	(nnslashdot "")
)))


(setq send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
(setq smtpmail-default-smtp-server "minster.cs.york.ac.uk")

(setq nnimap-split-inbox '("INBOX"))  ;; needed to perform any imap splitting

;;split incoming mail into the following folders
(setq nnimap-split-rule
             '(("INBOX.pdftex" ".*pdftex")
	       ("INBOX.ComrecoChat" ".*chat")
	       ("INBOX.UTC.JMcD" "^From:.*jam@\\|^From:.*John.McDermid")
	       ("INBOX.UTC.Tim" "^From:.*tpk\\|^From:.*Tim.Kelly")
	       ("INBOX.UTC.admin" "^From:.*cmm")
	       ("INBOX.UTC.admin" "^From:.*ginny")
	       ("INBOX.UTC.RollsRoyce" "^From:.*rolls")
	       ("INBOX.UTC.group" "^From:.*jrb")
	       ("INBOX.UTC.group" "^From:.*zoe")
	       ("INBOX.UTC.group" "^From:.*murdoch")
	       ("INBOX.UTC.group" "^From:.*katrina")
	       ("INBOX.Work.triv" "^To:.*triv\\|.*rs-cycle|\\|.*rs-squash")
	       ("INBOX.Work.support" "^Subject:.*SQT\\|^From:.*support")
	       ("INBOX.Home.footy" "^From:.*The Footy Thief")
	       ("INBOX.Work.dept" "^From:.*cs\.york")
	       ("INBOX.Work.jobs" ".*kc11")
	       ("INBOX.Home" "^From:.*kesterclegg")
	       ("INBOX.Home" "^From:.*alist")
	       ("INBOX.Home" "^From:.*steph")
	       ("INBOX.Home" "^From:.*vaughan")
	       ("INBOX.Home" "^From:.*sabine")
	       ("INBOX.Home" "^From:.*chrisb")
	       ("INBOX.Home" "^From:.*cxb")
	       ("INBOX.Home" "^From:.*bigstone")
	       ("INBOX.Home" "^From:.*js40")
	       ("INBOX.Home" "^From:.*johnvicky\\|^From:.*john_a_maguire")
	       ("INBOX.Home" "^From:.*microsoft")
	       ("INBOX.Home" "^From:.*rosi")
	       ("INBOX.Home.cec" "^From:.*cdc107\\|^From:.*cecile\\|^From:.*cdc3")
	       ("INBOX.Home.mum" "^From:.*juliamclegg")
	       ("INBOX.Home.dad" "^From:.*bikerdave\\|^From:.*eddie")
	       ("INBOX.private" "")
		))


; sent mail folder will send stuff to 'mail' plus year-month archive
(setq gnus-message-archive-group
      '((concat "mail." (format-time-string "%Y-%m"))))

; just show the following headers
(setq gnus-visible-headers "^To:\\|^Cc:\\|^From:\\|^Subject:\\|^Date:") 

; set up extra headers for archive groups - this enables 'To' address to show instead of 'From'
(setq gnus-extra-headers '(To Newsgroups Date))
(setq nnmail-extra-headers gnus-extra-headers)

; don't bother cross posting to all groups
(setq nnimap-split-crosspost nil)

; if anti-spam flag has been seen, pay attention to it!
;(setq gnus-use-nocem t)

(setq gnus-ignored-from-addresses "kester@cs.york.ac.uk")
(setq gnus-fetch-old-headers (quote some))
(setq gnus-group-sort-function (quote gnus-group-sort-by-rank))

(setq gnus-group-highlight (quote (((and (= unread 0) (not mailp) (eq
level 1)) . gnus-group-news-1-empty-face) ((and (not mailp) (eq level
1)) . gnus-group-news-1-face) ((and (= unread 0) (not mailp) (eq level
2)) . gnus-group-news-2-empty-face) ((and (not mailp) (eq level 2))
. gnus-group-news-2-face) ((and (= unread 0) (not mailp) (eq level 3))
. gnus-group-news-3-empty-face) ((and (not mailp) (eq level 3))
. gnus-group-news-3-face) ((and (= unread 0) (not mailp) (eq level 4))
. gnus-group-news-4-empty-face) ((and (not mailp) (eq level 4))
. gnus-group-news-4-face) ((and (= unread 0) (not mailp) (eq level 5))
. gnus-group-news-5-empty-face) ((and (not mailp) (eq level 5))
. gnus-group-news-5-face) ((and (= unread 0) (not mailp) (eq level 6))
. gnus-group-news-6-empty-face) ((and (not mailp) (eq level 6))
. gnus-group-news-6-face) ((and (= unread 0) (not mailp))
. gnus-group-news-low-empty-face) ((and (not mailp))
. gnus-group-news-low-face) ((and (= unread 0) (eq level 1))
. gnus-group-mail-1-empty-face) ((eq level 1)
. gnus-group-mail-1-face) ((and (= unread 0) (eq level 2))
. gnus-group-mail-2-empty-face) ((eq level 2)
. gnus-group-mail-2-face) ((and (= unread 0) (eq level 3))
. gnus-group-mail-3-empty-face) ((eq level 3)
. gnus-group-mail-3-face) ((= unread 0)
. gnus-group-mail-low-empty-face) (t . gnus-group-mail-low-face))))

(setq gnus-single-article-buffer nil)
(setq gnus-summary-ignore-duplicates t)

(setq gnus-treat-buttonize-head nil)
(setq gnus-treat-hide-boring-headers (quote head))
(setq gnus-use-trees nil)

;;(setq gnus-article-time-format "%A, %e %b %Y %I:%M%p")
(setq gnus-use-dribble-file nil)

; load up topic mode
(add-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook 'gnus-topic-mode)
; don't bother checking new newsgroups
;(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil)


;; Read only the relevant parts of the active file from the server.
;; This should generally be faster than both the t and nil value.
(setq gnus-read-active-file 'some)

;; Specifies the form of the "From" header. 
(setq message-from-style 'angles) 


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Kester Clegg				Dept. of Computer Science,
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Tel (01904) 43 27 49			email: kester at cs.york.ac.uk
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Re: auto-subscribe -> IMAP woes

[Kai Großjohann]

Kester Clegg <kester@RemoveThisBit.cs.york.ac.uk> writes:

> 11:19 kester > telnet minster 143
> Trying 144.32.40.2...
> Connected to minster.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS AUTH=LOGIN] minster IMAP4rev1 2002.330 at Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:28:06 +0000 (GMT)
> 1 logout
> * BYE minster IMAP4rev1 server terminating connection
> 1 OK LOGOUT completed
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> 11:28 kester >
>
> Didn't seem to mention anything about U Wash .. Should I have done some
> else?

Seems to be okay.  Maybe somebody else who knows U Wash can tell
whether this looks like it.  I get

* OK lugburz Cyrus IMAP4 v1.6.22 server ready

for the ancient Cyrus we have.

> How do I stop it/gnus creating groups in my home directory?  It never
> used to do this.  I'm using gnus imap in the mail storage fashion, not
> specifying it the mail-sources so that everything gets downloaded,
> though of course, that *is* what's happening!

I wish I knew how to tell you :-(
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Re: auto-subscribe -> IMAP woes

[Simon Josefsson]

Kester Clegg <kester@RemoveThisBit.cs.york.ac.uk> writes:

> kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> Which IMAP server do you have?  If your IMAP server is a U Wash
>> server, then the behavior makes sense: this server lets you access
>> all files in your home dir as if they were mbox files.
>
> 11:19 kester > telnet minster 143
> Trying 144.32.40.2...
> Connected to minster.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS AUTH=LOGIN] minster IMAP4rev1 2002.330 at Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:28:06 +0000 (GMT)
> 1 logout
> * BYE minster IMAP4rev1 server terminating connection
> 1 OK LOGOUT completed
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> 11:28 kester >
>
> Didn't seem to mention anything about U Wash .. Should I have done some
> else?

It is the U Wash 2000 server, I believe.

> How do I stop it/gnus creating groups in my home directory?  It never
> used to do this.  I'm using gnus imap in the mail storage fashion, not
> specifying it the mail-sources so that everything gets downloaded,
> though of course, that *is* what's happening!

I think this is the intended operation.  Your home directory is
probably on a network filesystem.  Rename your groups to mail/foobar
and your mail groups will be in a separate directory at least.