FWD: man.conf mandoc -Tlocale

[Ingo Schwarze <schwarze@usta.de>]

Hi,

in OpenBSD, we are discussing to move to mandoc(1) default
from -Tascii to -Tlocale, see the mail on <tech@openbsd.org>
below.

How do you feel about that idea, in particular regarding other
operating systems like DragonFly, NetBSD, FreeBSD and from the
perspective of the pkgsrc packaging system?

Yours,
  Ingo

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From: Ingo Schwarze <schwarze@usta.de>
Sender: owner-tech@openbsd.org
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 14:02:26 +0100
To: Ted Unangst <tedu@tedunangst.com>
Cc: tech@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: man.conf mandoc -Tlocale

Hi Ted,

Ted Unangst wrote on Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 09:22:04PM -0500:

> About 20 years after the invention of utf-8, I've decided to see what
> all the fuss is about and experiment with uxterm and whatnot.
> Naturally, this means I want to see sweet fancy quotes in all my man
> pages instead of the lame ``fake'' quotes. In order to convince mandoc
> to give me what I want, however, requires a command line option. But
> what about all those old school ascii only terminals I still sometimes
> use?
> 
> mandoc fortunately has an option -Tlocale, which will pick between
> ascii and utf8 based on environment. Perfect! Let's use it.
> 
> Tested to work as expected in uxterm. Tested to change nothing in a
> regular xterm by default (no LC_CTYPE set).

Even though i don't use it, i'm not opposed to your patch.
I think it makes sense.

I even considered switching the mandoc(1) default from -Tascii to
-Tlocale in general, but forgot about it again.  If you like the
idea, that would be something to do after unlock; it might require
explicitly giving the -Tascii option in some build system and similar
contexts.

I think -Tlocale might be a saner default than -Tascii nowadays.
People who don't want UTF-8 shouldn't have it in their LC_CTYPE,
and it's hard to see why people who do want it and have it in their
LC_CTYPE should be forced to give -Tlocale or something similar
to each and every utility they call.

What do you think?
  Ingo


> Index: man.conf
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvs/src/etc/man.conf,v
> retrieving revision 1.18
> diff -u -p -r1.18 man.conf
> --- man.conf	13 Jul 2013 20:21:52 -0000	1.18
> +++ man.conf	14 Feb 2014 02:14:29 -0000
> @@ -16,15 +16,15 @@ _subdir		{cat,man}1 {cat,man}8 {cat,man}
>  _suffix		.0
>  _build		.0.Z		/usr/bin/zcat %s
>  _build		.0.gz		/usr/bin/gzcat %s
> -_build		.[1-9n]		/usr/bin/mandoc %s
> -_build		.[1-9n].Z	/usr/bin/zcat %s | /usr/bin/mandoc
> -_build		.[1-9n].gz	/usr/bin/gzcat %s | /usr/bin/mandoc
> -_build		.[1-9][a-z]	/usr/bin/mandoc %s
> -_build		.[1-9][a-z].Z	/usr/bin/zcat %s | /usr/bin/mandoc
> -_build		.[1-9][a-z].gz	/usr/bin/gzcat %s | /usr/bin/mandoc
> -_build		.tbl		/usr/bin/mandoc %s
> -_build		.tbl.Z		/usr/bin/zcat %s | /usr/bin/mandoc
> -_build		.tbl.gz		/usr/bin/gzcat %s | /usr/bin/mandoc
> +_build		.[1-9n]		/usr/bin/mandoc -Tlocale %s
> +_build		.[1-9n].Z	/usr/bin/zcat %s | /usr/bin/mandoc -Tlocale
> +_build		.[1-9n].gz	/usr/bin/gzcat %s | /usr/bin/mandoc -Tlocale
> +_build		.[1-9][a-z]	/usr/bin/mandoc -Tlocale %s
> +_build		.[1-9][a-z].Z	/usr/bin/zcat %s | /usr/bin/mandoc -Tlocale
> +_build		.[1-9][a-z].gz	/usr/bin/gzcat %s | /usr/bin/mandoc -Tlocale
> +_build		.tbl		/usr/bin/mandoc -Tlocale %s
> +_build		.tbl.Z		/usr/bin/zcat %s | /usr/bin/mandoc -Tlocale
> +_build		.tbl.gz		/usr/bin/gzcat %s | /usr/bin/mandoc -Tlocale
>  
>  # Sections and their directories.
>  # All paths ending in '/' are the equivalent of entries specifying that
> 


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