From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from forward12m.cmail.yandex.net (forward12m.cmail.yandex.net [5.255.216.143]) by fantadrom.bsd.lv (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f93e5aa3 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 05:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4m.mail.yandex.net (smtp4m.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:2519::126]) by forward12m.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id B850521A81; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:57:48 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp4m.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4m.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 5374FBE0036; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:57:48 +0300 (MSK) Received: by smtp4m.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id K73J5tqcZV-vlr4sCir; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:57:47 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1447239468; bh=ZugxUAqe3NsLLORFeYCGg78tV7Cld7SmlsqtJ0KNwZs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Mail-Followup-To:User-Agent; b=gOwb/mFt13Xr7lKx7uwZOgwayObD20yzkLSHwVHGqhjXaJ87exlAlcEHp/kJv2Wy4 4jJdkiWtdpnsWIV56GJH9n9PQN9cvWy34bId9/p2Je1XcpCHkU+CAiOAE++3tBUYbP aQ7ZiiCrbSsWciOJTtxWapUwBMF1TC4jddIV1bzU= Authentication-Results: smtp4m.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com X-Yandex-ForeignMX: US Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:57:47 +0100 From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: discuss@mdocml.bsd.lv Cc: Peter Bray Subject: Re: mdocml [CVS_2015_11_07] C++ Declaration Guards Message-ID: <20151111105747.-gIk9CSpP%sdaoden@yandex.com> References: <563D700F.9090001@yahoo.com.au> <20151107140630.GD10393@athene.usta.de> <20151107142523.GA1186@britannica.bec.de> In-Reply-To: <20151107142523.GA1186@britannica.bec.de> Mail-Followup-To: Peter Bray , discuss@mdocml.bsd.lv User-Agent: s-nail v14.8.5-145-g8facf61 X-Mailinglist: mdocml-discuss Reply-To: discuss@mdocml.bsd.lv Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: |On Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 03:06:30PM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: |> Besides, i want to strongly discourage any use of C++ in |Seriously, please don't call groff C++. It is not. It is C with classes. |It doesn't even use the most fundamental data types like vectors. Luckily that is! The C++ standard types are plain shit for most use cases i can think about due to the completely useless copy-creation + original-object-destruction that takes place upon resizes etc. Yes you can use instead -- and then loose ptr management. Maybe some kind of auto_ptr<> exists in the meantime. Uff. And the terrible bloat. Granted that things may have changed since "The C++ Programming Language, Third Edition". But i hope the compilers of the future will continue to support "-fno-rtti -fno-exceptions" plus. --steffen -- To unsubscribe send an email to discuss+unsubscribe@mdocml.bsd.lv