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From: Ingo Schwarze <schwarze@usta.de>
To: discuss@mandoc.bsd.lv
Subject: Re: Broken tables in HTML output
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 19:04:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181204180457.GA33770@athene.usta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181204164414.bm4rdirdfcz3aveg@pali>

Hi Pali,

Pali Rohar wrote on Tue, Dec 04, 2018 at 05:44:14PM +0100:
> On Monday 03 December 2018 23:37:43 Ingo Schwarze wrote:
>> Pali Rohar wrote on Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 11:20:45PM +0100:
>>> On Monday 03 December 2018 23:14:54 Ingo Schwarze wrote:
>>>> Pali Rohar wrote on Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 11:01:42PM +0100:

>>>>> Seems that it is needed to put "border-bottom-style: solid"
>>>>> for rowspanned td element.  At least this is working in chrome.

>>>> That would further degrade the quality of the HTML code written by
>>>> mandoc.  As a rule, "style=" attributes should be avoided and CSS
>>>> should instead by used.  Unfortunately, that's not possible here
>>>> because the hard-coded presentational decisions like "draw a border
>>>> right here" are already contained in the tbl(7) input, and there
>>>> is no way to convert those purely presentational decisions of the
>>>> author into semantic or structural markup that could be handled
>>>> with CSS.
>>>> 
>>>> But at least the amount of "style=" attributes written should be
>>>> minimized.  Only those "style=" attributes should be written that
>>>> are required to correctly express the author's intent.

>>> This suggestion is to move border style definition from tr do td.

>> That would mean writing more "style=" attributes.
>> If a row intersects N cells, N times more.
>> That is not good.

> You can avoid all style= attributes in tables, by declaring class=
> attributes instead of them and then in CSS defines border styles for
> defined classes.

Sure, i could write

  <td class="border-left-double">
  <td class="border-bottom">
  <td class="border-bottom border-right">

and then in mandoc.css

  .border-left-double { border-left-style: "double"; }
  .border-bottom { border-bottom-style: "solid"; }
  .border-right { border-right-style: "solid"; }

But is that better than

  <td style="border-left-style: double;">
  <td style="border-bottom-style: solid;">
  <td style="border-bottom-style: solid; border-right-style: solid;">

and if it is better, why?

It is almost the same amount of attribute text, with only a minor
difference in syntax, and it doesn't add any information about
meaning or structure.  Also, there is no point for the user to
modify ".border-left-double { }" in the stylesheet - what should
it be mapped to as a personal style?  Mapping it to, say,

  .border-left-double { border-top-style: solid; }

just wouldn't make sense.  Classes only make sense to me if they
tell something about meaning or structure.  If they are merely
other names for physical style attributes, they seem pointless
to me.  Or am i wrong - and if so, why?

Yours,
  Ingo
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-04 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-16 11:03 Pali Rohár
2018-07-16 15:29 ` Ingo Schwarze
2018-07-16 16:36   ` Pali Rohár
2018-07-16 17:44     ` Ingo Schwarze
2018-11-24 23:15   ` Ingo Schwarze
2018-11-25 19:34   ` Ingo Schwarze
2018-11-25 21:25     ` Ingo Schwarze
2018-11-26  8:53       ` Pali Rohár
2018-11-26 21:27   ` Ingo Schwarze
2018-11-26 21:58     ` Pali Rohár
2018-11-26 22:01       ` Pali Rohár
2018-11-26 22:05         ` Pali Rohár
2018-12-01 17:20           ` Ingo Schwarze
2018-12-01 19:35             ` Pali Rohár
2018-12-03 20:46             ` Pali Rohár
2018-12-04  5:33               ` Ingo Schwarze
2018-12-03 22:01             ` Pali Rohár
2018-12-03 22:14               ` Ingo Schwarze
2018-12-03 22:20                 ` Pali Rohár
2018-12-03 22:37                   ` Ingo Schwarze
2018-12-04 16:44                     ` Pali Rohár
2018-12-04 18:04                       ` Ingo Schwarze [this message]
2019-01-21  9:39                         ` Pali Rohár
2019-01-21 13:16                           ` Ingo Schwarze
2018-11-29  2:15     ` Ingo Schwarze

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