* Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Discussion about switching the default manpage viewer in openSUSE
@ 2025-04-09 11:40 Matěj Cepl
2025-04-09 12:24 ` Alexis
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Matěj Cepl @ 2025-04-09 11:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: discuss, factory
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The following problem I can actually reproduce here as well:
`man awk ls` doesn’t give a correct result here as well, but
after succesfully displaying awk(1) page man shows me just a
gibberish. Not sure what’s going on. Mandoc should perfectly work
with compressed manpages, shouldn’t it?
Best,
Matěj
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Forwarded message from Jan Engelhardt on Wed Apr 9, 2025 at 10:32 AM:
>> In mandoc, `man awk ls` does not bring up the ls manpage
>> at any point, despite mandoc's man(1) documentation saying
>> that multiple names can be presented.
>
>Cannot reproduce, works for me on OpenBSD-current.
>Note that mandoc(1) displays the concatenation of both manial pages
>in a single less(1) buffer, such that you can search with commands
>like / and :t across both manual pages, forwards and backwards.
Sensible choice.
But then, we at openSUSE have a problem. At the end of the awk
manpage, when the ls manpage is supposed to start:
```
Permission is granted to copy and distribute translations of this
manual page into another language, under the above conditions for
modified versions, except that this permission notice may be stated in
a translation approved by the Foundation.
Free Software Foundation Apr 24 2024 GAWK(1)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
() ()
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* Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Discussion about switching the default manpage viewer in openSUSE
2025-04-09 11:40 Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Discussion about switching the default manpage viewer in openSUSE Matěj Cepl
@ 2025-04-09 12:24 ` Alexis
2025-04-09 14:05 ` Matěj Cepl
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Alexis @ 2025-04-09 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: discuss
Matěj Cepl <mcepl@cepl.eu> writes:
> The following problem I can actually reproduce here as well:
> `man awk ls` doesn’t give a correct result here as well, but
> after succesfully displaying awk(1) page man shows me just a
> gibberish. Not sure what’s going on. Mandoc should perfectly
> work
> with compressed manpages, shouldn’t it?
Not if they're bzip2-compressed; cf.:
https://marc.info/?l=mandoc-discuss&m=160668087317110&w=2
(i use Mandoc on my Gentoo system, and have set
PORTAGE_COMPRESS_EXCLUDE_SUFFIXES="[1-9] n [013]p [1357]ssl 3am
3pcap 3perl 3pm [1-9]bsd"
so that man pages aren't compressed upon install; the space
savings would basically be negligible in the context of my 500G
hard drive, as i noted in this comment:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/836367#c5 )
Alexis.
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* Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Discussion about switching the default manpage viewer in openSUSE
2025-04-09 12:24 ` Alexis
@ 2025-04-09 14:05 ` Matěj Cepl
2025-04-09 14:45 ` Ingo Schwarze
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Matěj Cepl @ 2025-04-09 14:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: discuss
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On Wed Apr 9, 2025 at 2:24 PM CEST, Alexis wrote:
>> gibberish. Not sure what’s going on. Mandoc should perfectly
>> work
>> with compressed manpages, shouldn’t it?
>
> Not if they're bzip2-compressed; cf.:
>
> https://marc.info/?l=mandoc-discuss&m=160668087317110&w=2
mitmanek:~ $ file /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz: gzip compressed data, max compression, from Unix, original size modulo 2^32 7984
mitmanek:~ $
Best,
Matěj
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* Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Discussion about switching the default manpage viewer in openSUSE
2025-04-09 14:05 ` Matěj Cepl
@ 2025-04-09 14:45 ` Ingo Schwarze
2025-04-09 16:32 ` Matěj Cepl
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Ingo Schwarze @ 2025-04-09 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Matěj Cepl; +Cc: discuss
Hello Matej,
Matej Cepl wrote on Wed, Apr 09, 2025 at 04:05:29PM +0200:
> Matej Cepl wrote:
>> gibberish. Not sure what's going on. Mandoc should perfectly
>> work with compressed manpages, shouldn't it?
> mitmanek:~ $ file /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz: gzip compressed data,
> max compression, from Unix, original size modulo 2^32 7984
$ uname -a
OpenBSD isnote.usta.de 7.7 GENERIC.MP#603 amd64
$ doas gzip /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1
$ ls /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1*
/usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz
$ doas makewhatis /usr/share/man
$ man -w awk ls
/usr/share/man/man1/awk.1
/usr/local/man/man1/gls.1
/usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz
$ man awk ls
AWK(1) General Commands Manual AWK(1)
NAME
awk - pattern-directed scanning and processing language
[...]
--------------------------------------------------------------------
() ()
<gibberish>
[...]
Heh. Wow. Nobody ever reported that. It appears somethings goes
wrong when trying to parse a compressed manual page after parsing
an uncompressed manual page. That does look like a bug; i'll have
to investigate.
Compressing manual pages is certainly not recommended. It adds
unnecessary complication and fragility. But this failure mode
is certainly not intentional.
Yours,
Ingo
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* Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Discussion about switching the default manpage viewer in openSUSE
2025-04-09 14:45 ` Ingo Schwarze
@ 2025-04-09 16:32 ` Matěj Cepl
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Matěj Cepl @ 2025-04-09 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: discuss
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On Wed Apr 9, 2025 at 4:45 PM CEST, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
> Compressing manual pages is certainly not recommended. It adds
> unnecessary complication and fragility. But this failure mode
> is certainly not intentional.
Yeah, that’s absolutely non-option. Whatever I think is right or
wrong in this situation, all Linux distributions have manpages
compressed, and I don’t think anything will change it. I won’t
even consider whether I should start that fight.
Best,
Matěj
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