From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-pg1-f193.google.com (mail-pg1-f193.google.com [209.85.215.193]) by fantadrom.bsd.lv (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 70cdfd6b for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 11:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pg1-f193.google.com with SMTP id 70so6413319pgh.8 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:44:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:openpgp:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=i3Tf13NwfgT5tP3/0qGwPcJgUi53LnzLiv1ARnHL9qg=; b=t5MfXnNYw1WDxk5fmzs1ZJLYa4M7tAkDyJ/Zd3vwHA6UHGefq2CyHHKzvlWlmipD7S 6D2u+CmO17vZHNEHnOvyK3jVtc0WzSHLd7jTpc+Scz6o+1wtr6D/WT8HcueC2on46j+T mfX/mNLcUeKGldUU+NkzyTkJT8SM3hWAHNmQZHlQeOOF87/3lL3RaH1QpPee6QRn5HGB D7JdAY8KlZSYA+sDJhVt0Sua0CPpKaGAKrUKR/4WTMOne9nX/dg8gwTk4Q3ZLfsb/7P8 lht0nOM1qLK+dIYu7Uk0usFDm7oG3/HRNqcbICBdEzuP7jCb2fr6btzb7x6sMq66NOkP UCFw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:openpgp :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=i3Tf13NwfgT5tP3/0qGwPcJgUi53LnzLiv1ARnHL9qg=; b=hIC8OVmYCoNWh5tF9lCOcrhDHnIYnRsV4CZ53dtFh6i0SveXhxxc1GdlUiFtNntQGG 84aqIWJATsPgQpNhqtrbMtptex4A/IG07C9BcsJ4xR6btAGXoPuFk0RSc2G96ZAULU30 Gusu66FDSCt3lEsj5K73VOkMETwrXzM34OsfJGj63AVIoJESUFGZMo4rv5X+TC5rtat2 FQs+1P4lX3fhHaDMGr36QdCRbJbNKbfaDbZMweR9EY5tX6cH2PCx/tNqwD+qCizLOTHi ww0oZ9iBWm2VoKWtpxOV1gKrQ9qK9Vjl7gVkfQ01cAYS3QO7KFqR8Oh8mOTw3F5+ZL1r i39A== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbaU4DDYB1X3pUksLyiN/+EQYFMjlAn8LqXYefK191OXe9qvEh0 OoeXYP9oCECqijJkmsQo9rRMEO6Q X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/WzuCTW26JA4ZWapS9NFK+ft79SFkTs/OH95wdEP2nDkh3LNrvMYho70T0lkrRl+pnuCnR/QQ== X-Received: by 2002:a63:7044:: with SMTP id a4mr25092063pgn.359.1543250672597; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kira.local ([2601:646:9500:53f1:2167:50be:8db4:52ab]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r66sm1088392pfk.157.2018.11.26.08.44.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:44:15 -0800 (PST) Sender: Mark Harris Subject: Re: mandoc.css license To: Ingo Schwarze Cc: discuss@mandoc.bsd.lv References: <923c3207-224b-0345-3215-8f457d613cd1@gmail.com> <20181126152945.GC82448@athene.usta.de> From: Mark Harris Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:43:58 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 X-Mailinglist: mandoc-discuss Reply-To: discuss@mandoc.bsd.lv MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181126152945.GC82448@athene.usta.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 2018-11-26 7:29, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Mark Harris wrote on Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 10:51:35PM -0800: > >> It appears that it is intended that the mandoc.css file included with >> mandoc be served as a static file from any web server that is serving >> mandoc-generated html. > > Correct. Using it as-is is recommended by default, but there may > be valid reasons to modify it or write your own, in particular when > integrating mandoc output into a larger website together with other > content, manpages.debian.org being a prominent example, even if > slightly overengineered for my taste. > >> If this file is BSD licensed, > > Arguably, it was, according to this sentence in the LICENSE file: > > The mandoc distribution as a whole is distributed by its developers > under the following license: > >> should it have a copyright notice and copy of the BSD license at the >> top so that it can be distributed separately? > > In so far as it was ISC licensed, it could already be distributed > separately, at least when distributing the ISC license together > with it. > > In general, you are right, files without Copyright and license > information tend to cause confusion, so unless clearly so small > and/or non-creative that there can be no Copyright on them, > clarification is advisable and costs nothing. > >> Or does it not require this because CSS is not considered to be code >> or documentation? > > That doesn't matter, all creative works fall under Copyright, in > particular any text, and it is clearly a text file. > >> Would it be possible to clarify the status of this file in the LICENSE >> file and/or in a comment at the beginning of mandoc.css? > > Sure, done, see below. > > Yours, > Ingo > > > Log Message: > ----------- > Place mandoc.css into the public domain. > > The reason for doing this rather than using the ISC license > is that i guess that in some contexts, a requirement to preserve > a Copyright and license header might be inconvenient, and i really > don't care at all how people use it. > > What matters is that they do use it, or something similar - attempts > to use mandoc without any CSS are a constant source of grief and > bogus bug reports because HTML without CSS doesn't look very good: > the more structural and semantic and the less presentational and > old-fashioned the HTML, the more so. > > Thanks to Mark Harris for pointing out > that the permissions on this particular file were unclear. > > Modified Files: > -------------- > mandoc: > mandoc.css > > Revision Data > ------------- > Index: mandoc.css > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/cvs/mandoc/mandoc/mandoc.css,v > retrieving revision 1.38 > retrieving revision 1.39 > diff -Lmandoc.css -Lmandoc.css -u -p -r1.38 -r1.39 > --- mandoc.css > +++ mandoc.css > @@ -1,6 +1,11 @@ > /* $Id$ */ > /* > * Standard style sheet for mandoc(1) -Thtml and man.cgi(8). > + * > + * Written by Ingo Schwarze . > + * I place this file into the public domain. > + * Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute it for any purpose > + * with or without fee is hereby granted, without any conditions. > */ > > /* Global defaults. */ > Thanks! The LICENSE file mentions "all code and documentation contained in the mandoc toolkit" so that was the reason for trying to guess whether this CSS file was "code". - Mark -- To unsubscribe send an email to discuss+unsubscribe@mandoc.bsd.lv