From: "Wesley Moore" <wes@wezm.net>
To: tech@mandoc.bsd.lv
Subject: Re: Improve performance of makewhatis
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:29:15 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1ff732ac-40f7-44e3-a140-ba9771cad72a@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZVQeLXHqOUUA36tB@asta-kit.de>
Hi Ingo,
Thanks for the detailed reply.
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023, at 11:26 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
>
> Can you confirm that these statements are accurate?
>
> * Chimera Linux includes mandoc in its base system since 2021 Oct 30.
That's correct.
> * There were no official nor unofficial packages of mandoc
> for Chimera Linux before that.
Yes that's right.
> * It uses the mandoc(1) parsing and formatting engine by default
> since the same date.
Yes (pretty much). It looks like it was added a day later
https://github.com/chimera-linux/cports/commit/3c493733f7f0df345816cc69e273fca32fe70830
> * The default apropos(1) program is mandoc since the same date.
> * The default man(1) program is mandoc since the same date.
> * Chimera Linux does not provide an officially supported
> alternative for the man(1) program that users can select.
> * Chimera Linux does not publish its manual pages on the web
> on a site similar to https://manpages.debian.org/
> or https://man.openbsd.org/ or https://man.voidlinux.org/ .
Yes all of above are correct.
>> makewhatis -Tutf8 is run to rebuild the index
>> whenever a package containing man pages is installed or updated.
>> I noticed this took multiple seconds even on a Ryzen 9 7950X system.
>
> That may not be a major problem because installing an additional
> package is not usually a fast operation (it usually requires both
> network access and expensive database locking and management outside
> the domain of manual pages) and it isn't done often either.
>
> So i expect most users won't feel offended if installing new
> software takes a few seconds.
Perhaps that is the case but it bothered me enough to go to the effort of writing these patches...
[snip]
> So only 10-15% of the time is spent in roff_getstrn(), which cannot
> possibly result in the 25-35% overall speedup you report, so something
> looks fishy here. Then again, even 25-35% is not a large gain.
Those are the numbers I saw from my basic benchmarking measuring the wall clock time of makewhatis -Tutf -n across three runs and averaging the results for each machine. The raw data from my notes is available here:
https://gist.github.com/wezm/4043bde0dc2974c88b7706c60b58f900
[snip]
> One other thing. I hate patch series, don't ever send them.
> They are usually a symptom of poor development methodology,
> and usually i reject them without even inspecting them.
> Here, i made an exception because your idea seems to have some merit.
>
> Every patch needs to
> * perform one well-defined task and
> * make the code better even if nothing else is ever committed
> building on it.
>
> Splitting a patch like you did it here only adds obfuscation
> If a patch becomes too big for review, then the *task* it performs
> needs to be split into logically separate steps, rather than
> splitting code changes into mutiple patch files that essentially
> all save the same purpose and are similar and closely related in
> their content. Such *logical* splitting can become tricky, but
> i doubt that is needed here.
Sorry about that. While I've been programming for a couple of decades the email based patch workflow is very new to me and different to all my experience to date. If I post any more changes I'll be sure to follow your suggestions.
> I'm not yet completely sure what the best way forward is.
> Probably something like:
> 1. Identifying all places that do string lookup in tables or lists.
> Some can probably be left alone:
> arch.c, att.c, cgi.c, chars.c, eqn.c, mansearch.c,
> mdoc_argnames in mdoc.c, msec.c, st.c, regtab in roff.c,
> tbl_layout.c, tbl_opts.c
> But the others should probably be dealt with in a unified manner:
> reqtab, mdocmac, manmac on the one hand
> strtab, rentab, pretab, xmbtab on the other hand
> Not sure yet whether xtab can be included into xmbtab.
> 2. Design and implement a common handling for these using ohash
> that is as simple as possible.
When I have a moment I'll take a look through these and try to come up with an approach/plan and post it for feedback before making code changes.
> Not sure yet whether these are multiple steps or a single step,
> but doing one separate step for every *tab is definitely not the
> way.
>
> I guess that's enough for today...
>
> Yours,
> Ingo
Wes
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-11-15 8:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-11-13 1:42 Wesley Moore
2023-11-13 1:42 ` [PATCH 1/3] Use ohash for strtab Wesley Moore
2023-11-13 1:42 ` [PATCH 2/3] Use ohash for rentab Wesley Moore
2023-11-13 1:42 ` [PATCH 3/3] Use ohash for predefined strings Wesley Moore
2023-11-15 1:26 ` Improve performance of makewhatis Ingo Schwarze
2023-11-15 8:29 ` Wesley Moore [this message]
2023-11-15 17:36 ` Ingo Schwarze
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