From: "Anna “CyberTailor”" <cyber@sysrq.in>
To: tech@mandoc.bsd.lv
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/8] mdoc_html: Tell screen readers to skip the header
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 21:33:09 +0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YrstRXKkn/cRmJ9x@sysrq.in> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YriAe+aKV99log46@asta-kit.de>
On 2022-06-26 17:51, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
> The two tables we are talking about here and in your next patch are
> currently marked as class="head" and class="foot", which is good enough
> to support the current mandoc.css but is unhelpful with respect to ARIA.
>
> Let's consider which are the two places in the above tree
> where these two tables occur.
>
> The "head" table comes immediately after the search form and immediately
> before the NAME section, i.e. shortly before the .Nd line. The only
> node between "search" and "Nd" in the above tree is "doc-pageheader".
>
> The "foot" table comes after AUTHORS. The <footer> and <aside> elements
> and the contentinfo and complementary landmarks are inadequate for the
> content of the "foot" table, which leaves us with doc-pagefooter
> as the only option.
>
> Conidering their DPUB-ARIA description, doc-pageheader and doc-pagefooter
> maybe aren't perfect fits for these two tables, but i think close enough
> to make their use acceptable.
>
> What do you think about the following plan?
>
> 1. Replace the ideosyncratic <div class="manual-text">
> with the standard <main> element.
> We could maybe keep the class="manual-text" attribute
> on the <main> element for backward compatibility.
> Then again, users of -T html are likely to have to adapt
> their CSS code to the change from <div> to <main> anyway,
> so i'd lean twoards deleting the custom class: <main> alone
> feels like fully expressing the intention, and when it comes
> to CSS, doing the same with less is more.
Agree.
> 2. Instead of <table class="head">, say <table role="doc-pageheader">.
I'd better wrap it in a <header> tag. Using semantic HTML is better than
ARIA.
> 3. Instead of <table class="foot">, say <table role="doc-pagefooter">.
Same but with <footer>.
> It that enough to convince screen readers to refrain from pointless
> chatter, or is the big hammer of aria-hidden="true" still needed?
> I wouldn't be opposed to saying
>
> <table role="doc-pageheader" aria-hidden="true">
>
> if you think that is better than just <table role="doc-pageheader">.
I'll test both variants later and send a patch with whatever works best.
>
> I'm not sending a patch yet because i'd like to learn your opinion
> on these ideas first.
>
> Two minor remarks regarding your patch follow inline below.
>
> Yours,
> Ingo
>
> Anna “CyberTailor” wrote on Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 05:27:48PM +0500:
>
> > diff --git a/html.c b/html.c
> > index 3239a09b..c45e9ee0 100644
> > --- a/html.c
> > +++ b/html.c
> > @@ -715,6 +715,9 @@ print_otag(struct html *h, enum htmltag tag, const char *fmt, ...)
> > case 'r':
> > attr = "role";
> > break;
> > + case 's':
> > + attr = "aria-hidden";
> > + break;
>
> The format letter 's' cannot be used for this purpose because it is
> already taken, see
>
> https://mandoc.bsd.lv/man/mandoc_html.3.html#s
>
> > case '?':
> > attr = arg1;
> > arg1 = va_arg(ap, char *);
> > diff --git a/mdoc_html.c b/mdoc_html.c
> > index cf2e8804..85aadc4e 100644
> > --- a/mdoc_html.c
> > +++ b/mdoc_html.c
> > @@ -484,7 +484,8 @@ mdoc_root_pre(const struct roff_meta *meta, struct html *h)
> > mandoc_asprintf(&title, "%s(%s)",
> > meta->title, meta->msec);
> >
> > - t = print_otag(h, TAG_TABLE, "c", "head");
> > + // Tell screen readers to skip the section
>
> In OpenBSD C code, we *never* use // for comments, but always /* */.
>
> > + t = print_otag(h, TAG_TABLE, "cs", "head", "true");
> > tt = print_otag(h, TAG_TR, "");
> >
> > print_otag(h, TAG_TD, "c", "head-ltitle");
Got it.
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Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-06-21 12:27 [PATCH 0/8] Make generated HTML more accessible Anna “CyberTailor”
2022-06-21 12:27 ` [PATCH 1/8] mdoc_html: Accessibility markup for ToC Anna “CyberTailor”
2022-06-21 12:27 ` [PATCH 2/8] mdoc_html: Add DPUB-ARIA roles to sections Anna “CyberTailor”
2022-06-24 13:58 ` Ingo Schwarze
2022-06-21 12:27 ` [PATCH 3/8] mdoc_html: Add DPUB-ARIA roles to subsections Anna “CyberTailor”
2022-06-21 12:27 ` [PATCH 4/8] man_html: Add DPUB-ARIA roles to (sub)sections Anna “CyberTailor”
2022-06-21 12:27 ` [PATCH 5/8] man.cgi: add ARIA roles and semantics Anna “CyberTailor”
2022-07-04 16:37 ` Ingo Schwarze
2022-06-21 12:27 ` [PATCH 6/8] mdoc_html: Add accessible description to crosslinks Anna “CyberTailor”
2022-06-25 12:58 ` Ingo Schwarze
2022-06-21 12:27 ` [PATCH 7/8] mdoc_html: Tell screen readers to skip the header Anna “CyberTailor”
2022-06-26 15:51 ` Ingo Schwarze
2022-06-28 16:33 ` Anna “CyberTailor” [this message]
2022-06-21 12:27 ` [PATCH 8/8] man_html: " Anna “CyberTailor”
2022-06-22 19:15 ` [PATCH 0/8] Make generated HTML more accessible Ingo Schwarze
2022-06-22 19:40 ` Anna “CyberTailor”
2022-06-23 13:34 ` Ingo Schwarze
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