From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/2939 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rob Landley Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: question: hard-coded file descriptors in stdin/stdout/stderr Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:30:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1363581023.15703.25@driftwood> References: <20130318040824.GN20323@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1363581040 7875 80.91.229.3 (18 Mar 2013 04:30:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 04:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: musl@lists.openwall.com To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-2940-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Mon Mar 18 05:31:06 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UHRix-0007q8-5g for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 05:31:03 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 13459 invoked by uid 550); 18 Mar 2013 04:30:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 13451 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2013 04:30:39 -0000 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:date:from:subject:to:cc:in-reply-to:x-mailer:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=1/JuAnFsEdzVZQd4JVhzp56z19d1HJfejieVUsRx2V4=; b=VNW5odSRhQkwLPGQ1n5A0RZqT0B+6HgBrrpReZdXmwzuNaGWvz2Oncj4quIWnl52Z7 NyTeMG4WEoB9mCrVdEKH3mJd4Gi/zTAaPIe6MrP7yscdWeO9JA4m93mq99k6WTmxBDcn 22YQrSpRMIoQTGmu/aH5zrEePXSptx6010bPEFXo2+d2bgk8f4XOBS4oces3VKSKQp2j NY8PM7VIlviK0eg7NZ4jASJ/AmU8AeTOQzNwOLlRW5GM5t6XzsPnLdCwzrNgolrR0kq9 1QX/YNQh9fyRp5Gh/I08yNfdY3bJXxpgsJhOF8UFnyaDt/jvN21CUbokI8Hi70K5onoU eV3w== X-Received: by 10.49.127.180 with SMTP id nh20mr20344351qeb.19.1363581027691; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:30:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130318040824.GN20323@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (from dalias@aerifal.cx on Sun Mar 17 23:08:24 2013) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.4.11 Content-Disposition: inline X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn5Sax3dYJ+vi2Jo4ma4TthJl03HsBHeVyys/zrz6mFFyW0nnz7hXB6Hnri8HISCKaVNy0Z Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:2939 Archived-At: On 03/17/2013 11:08:24 PM, Rich Felker wrote: > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:50:01PM -0500, Strake wrote: > > On 17/03/2013, Rich Felker wrote: > > > Rather, > > > it makes OUR lives easier, because FOSS projects can just target =20 > POSIX > > > and keep their cores simple > > > > Actually, we can do that anyhow. >=20 > Well of course those of us who don't care about Windows support can do > that. The problem is that many people do care about Windows support, > and thus we're stuck with lots of mess. I'd really like to see a next > generation of applications that aren't full of hacks for > "portability". If Windows gets left behind on the PC the way Dec's Unicos got left =20 behind on the minicomputer, and in the new world of smartphones nobody =20 does Windows, problem solved. (And speaking of portability hacks, 64 =20 bit Windows is LLP64, not LP64. On 64 bit windows, "long" is 32 bits.) I understand what Cygwin tried to do, and why it's a mess. (Timesys =20 supported its own fork of that when I worked there.) I understand what =20 mingw tried to do, and why it's a different mess. (I used that to test =20 tinycc's windows mode under wine.) I don't understand why this new =20 approach thinks it won't encounter the problems of either previous =20 project. I'd wait to see code, except I haven't got a windows test =20 environment and don't want one. Rob=