From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/3569 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rob Landley Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Proposed roadmap to 1.0 Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:10:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1372961410.6645.4@driftwood> References: <20130629235041.GA5046@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20130630052045.GB1368@newbook> <20130630053408.GP29800@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20130630064248.GC1368@newbook> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373221238 31921 80.91.229.3 (7 Jul 2013 18:20:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 18:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: musl@lists.openwall.com To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-3573-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Sun Jul 07 20:20:41 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UvtZg-0001R2-Qi for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 20:20:40 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 32539 invoked by uid 550); 7 Jul 2013 18:20:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 32531 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2013 18:20:40 -0000 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:subject:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:x-mailer:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=XhxEhxpVGBzWExBfPbEQ5xeVY53s5V3g/jv/da1kKcQ=; b=E2fMcaUyIY0lrJ8B08Bkn9ssaMaa1VWVA2n8GuoFWPvniNDK/6tlIVDUhrdB6vpCyC v2lnrsYju8gaOqR0qHPbmaYMlSqoCTbxsDSCCGqroEQ3ZflwWd9L/sCkr6ReUCkpj88t YP9z//QFsrgJ2o9KYAxkkej8A/EHa5AYuPBptJrTLwrFHc7gsmwhNuPRShzABFkQRBaq e7Wtju5MXpKzy1Nfo8Nh9sFyuSXUVGgbJWOUPv9ZZpFrwDYEFwGJRokVWbgIkW6JIq5r 0HgrJAGotiAtyaw2b8SMdPEU3aqf6DxeSCyKGBL1KRoq3Cco8THU1kW2yUZ6aDNlhHmo mV5A== X-Received: by 10.236.223.229 with SMTP id v95mr10404882yhp.54.1373221228323; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130630064248.GC1368@newbook> (from idunham@lavabit.com on Sun Jun 30 01:42:48 2013) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.4.11 Content-Disposition: inline X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn551mSgHR9Ba0GqSDWBOfdWjdb4cQ8sorJWMOCrmN0TCB1RFQuD/4fLgVdfS0FuLIHL8dM Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:3569 Archived-At: On 06/30/2013 01:42:48 AM, Isaac wrote: > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 01:34:09AM -0400, Rich Felker wrote: > > > m32r is live, but I'm not aware of much interest. > > > tilera and epiphany (the Parallela coprocessor) sound interesting, > > > but are likely to be limited in availability. > > > > Not familiar with them, but my guess would be they're interesting. =20 > In >=20 > Tilera Tile: > http://www.tilera.com/products/processors > In brief, it's a 64-bit processor that comes with up to 100 cores per =20 > cpu > (last I checked), topping out around 1.6 GHz. Linux is the only OS. >=20 > Epiphany: > http://www.adapteva.com/introduction/ > Used in this project: > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-f= or-everyone/ > In short, a multicore 32-bit risc cpu currently only used as a =20 > coprocessor. > Not really a candidate for a port, but if it ever does get a full =20 > Linux, > it might be interesting. I'm still trying to fluff out =20 http://landley.net/aboriginal/architectures.html and even if I don't =20 describe half the Linux architectures I interrogated git to get a list =20 of when each one was added. Might be useful. > > embedded, everything has niche uses. On the high-end server side, on > > the other hand, anything but x86_64 (for straight power) or ARM (for > > cutting the primary cost of a data center: electricity) is madness. =20 > In > > other words, I think there's a lot more value in supporting =20 > diversity > > on the embedded side than on the enterprise side. >=20 > Power has a bit of the enterprise, too; it's got lower power usage (vs > x86, no comparisons with ARM I'm aware of), and currently holds the > highest clock speed of any stock cpu. Half the game consoles out there are Power. (Dunno about the current =20 generation.) Back when Praystation 3 supported Linux built-in, it was =20 the cheapest way to get a 64 bit PPC system with the Cell processor =20 stuff. (Which alas never took off because it was way too hard to =20 program and they were just proprietary enough in the programming info =20 to prevent open source people from ever quite managing to care. These =20 days Hexagon has all the "3D rendering in software" buzz they used to =20 brag about, but that's problematic to get a test environment working =20 too...) Rob=