From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/3582 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rob Landley Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Request for volunteers Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 21:14:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1373336055.27613.21@driftwood> References: <20130708074037.GE15323@port70.net> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373336071 10646 80.91.229.3 (9 Jul 2013 02:14:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 02:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: musl@lists.openwall.com To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-3586-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Tue Jul 09 04:14:33 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UwNRn-0007TV-QO for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 04:14:31 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 11356 invoked by uid 550); 9 Jul 2013 02:14:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 11348 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2013 02:14:31 -0000 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:subject:to:cc:in-reply-to:x-mailer:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=RIJuP/POV9inuouYm1ZEpMjlUEoztUouwti3d7iNzPo=; b=i8l58so001iHbd9H8M/1uQcX0KemVdwdDH9qYDz8eu6A5I+BXndETNfglln0B3I8oG iK00EvjRfOmXmOxz2zbazMvHPO3eN02Qw0O8bMrJJGuDGPHdZFGdOYkXEU/q0eyIfuRt SHRX59akOnHZYkENKJtrU8sIvzv+gZDD10/dVixIQjODMZh6OYiiWSJNRb7D2CZEwScH 56c6FkTqjvlfRzZA9D6ljOxRj22K3JiX45AmJxOxIPCxT0ZKnq5qSMpv8abXIRrmkMJv evjhIypxSTaLnYcIqIJjuKMBlmxlQx9SbDo0lq2BdtGjH5jFwmLoGsJGGZ7buA1iJftW 1Ecw== X-Received: by 10.236.63.132 with SMTP id a4mr13759012yhd.41.1373336059016; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:14:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130708074037.GE15323@port70.net> (from nsz@port70.net on Mon Jul 8 02:40:38 2013) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.4.11 Content-Disposition: inline X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkXkzkzRbYgNhcer4SVMNu3XLf/H59r8VplE1+6sm3FljXDgpMCxBS321guuYwfQbDKTG9G Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:3582 Archived-At: On 07/08/2013 02:40:38 AM, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: > * Rob Landley [2013-07-04 13:05:06 -0500]: > > >5. Rigorous testing. My ideal vision of this role is having =20 > somebody > > > who takes a look at each bug fix committed and writes test cases > > > for the bug and extrapolates tests for possible related bugs =20 > that > > > haven't yet been found. And who reads the glibc bug tracker so =20 > we > > > can take advantage of their bug reports too. > > > > Is the Linux Test Project relevant? > > >=20 > most of their tests are for kernel related features > some of them are pretty outdated (stress testing floppy io..) > and not very high quality (mostly written by ibm folks) > there is a large set of 'openhpi' tests and the entire > posix_testsuit (already audited), there is a fair amount > of network tests, mostly sctp and nfs >=20 > it seems a bit messy and not quite what we want The Linux Foundation was formed by the merger of OSDL with the Linux =20 Standards Group to form "a voltron of bureaucracy", so I'm not =20 surprised their actual testing and standardization functions =20 essentially stopped. The purpose of OSDL was to provide Linus Torvalds with a salary =20 independent of any specific company. Unfortunately, the amount of money =20 companies contributed to it was well above Linus's needs, they went on =20 to justify _having_ so much money by getting offices and hiring people, =20 meaning instead of a trust fund now they needed more money on a regular =20 basis. So they set themselves up as "the face of Linux" for corporations the =20 same way AOL set itself up as the face of the internet for dialup users =20 in the 1990's, and promised that they could translate between suit and =20 geek. And they got very very good at talking to suits (where the money =20 comes from), and are baffled by the _existence_ of hobbyists. (People =20 do open source without geting paid? Inconceivable! They can't possibly =20 be relevant to the process, they're just hangers-on mooching off our =20 extensively funded work. Free riders we tolerate for historical =20 reasons...) So yeah, not surprising if LSB became a corporate rubber stamp. Sad, =20 but not surprising. Rob=