From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/3655 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rob Landley Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Fwd: OIN Notice - Definition Update [license@openinventionnetwork.com] Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:37:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1373956679.3719.10@driftwood> References: <1373607079.27613.50@driftwood> <1373607147.27613.51@driftwood> <20130712143457.GA87701@intma.in> <20130712155339.GB29800@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20130712163214.GC29800@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373988663 3254 80.91.229.3 (16 Jul 2013 15:31:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: musl@lists.openwall.com To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-3659-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Tue Jul 16 17:31:05 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Uz7DU-0006xG-GX for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:31:04 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 9631 invoked by uid 550); 16 Jul 2013 15:31:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 9623 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2013 15:31:03 -0000 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:subject:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:x-mailer:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=0SYs9iShXdOOy2mgX2h2i7pHOfaea76kP4ol5HHS1ck=; b=giaHYdvDkECwgkvJZE/OTnpSA8AuaG7LoTrjnErnH2KtkbBEY+QthJ4guZ+uV21jMc rhpNyILT8EG+j5txJkDkByM0CEOhkpqrILZxBUzSvwd6806kUiGBi0R9zXRw5mC9L8Xi M121swKJ3R9XGUPxQZ0x5oqg4NWWNe2rP8Bp9Eb8Ic8Mjt8+1n8O5t6qOJMiRWLRnqsw JHS1rYBQ4eA7rnBMWD2BLg1RwFbw6akRtkjBdoQxLlKWJV5lKIgesvvNVxqOKAF4iSpw q032gQBxFhmIved+MWpjT0iI9wbEKzrh8Bz/bviSnSD1JB1TTFDhK6zKKhH3pg0rkQgQ T16Q== X-Received: by 10.42.153.198 with SMTP id n6mr1271564icw.66.1373988651101; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:30:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130712163214.GC29800@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (from dalias@aerifal.cx on Fri Jul 12 11:32:15 2013) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.4.11 Content-Disposition: inline X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmzdXhjs+Y+xb20X14S1RDhTaJ/dCd3eMXdVnLh0PtbhIFE/yaEDphlpCDz6QwzhVZJc1Oi Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:3655 Archived-At: On 07/12/2013 11:32:15 AM, Rich Felker wrote: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 05:18:46PM +0100, Justin Cormack wrote: > > On 12 Jul 2013 16:53, "Rich Felker" wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:34:57AM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:32:27AM -0500, Rob Landley wrote: > > > > > If you were looking for a list of packages to test musl =20 > against before > > > > > 1.0, the Open Invention Network seems to have come up with a =20 > list of > > > > > 593 packages they define as "The Linux System". > > > > > > > > This list looks like something a crazy person put together. =20 > It's > > > > basically everything available in OpenSUSE plus the android =20 > SDK. There > > > > is garbage in here like mono and mod_ruby. > > > > > > Indeed, this sounds like nothing but "Pointy Hair Linux" =20 > conformance, > > > which I think we can do without. Trying to meet these =20 > requirements is > > > akin to ISO C adding Annex K and other junk to make Microsoft =20 > happy. > > > They knew there was no hope of Microsoft actually adopting the C > > > standard, so why even bother trying to make them happy? Similarly, > > > "Pointy Hair Linux" is not adopting musl anytime soon, so worrying > > > about conforming to their silly requirements seems like a waste of > > > time and energy... > > > > > > Rich > > > > Its not a standard, its a list of things that are broadly "Linux" =20 > in terms > > of the point of the group which is an anti patent pool... >=20 > OK, I think we may have all misunderstood the point of this list. It's fairly crazy, and bigger than I realized. My point was just that saying we support X packages from the Open =20 Invention Network's "Monster Fun System List" (even saying X% if X is =20 above 80) is a way to leverage their name in our eventual marketing =20 push. But if the list is too crazy, obviously it's not worth trying to =20 cover more than we would anyway. Rob=