From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/4053 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rob Landley Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: GLOB_BRACE Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:18:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1379949492.1974.53@driftwood> References: <524051AD.8070008@gentoo.org> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379949512 31125 80.91.229.3 (23 Sep 2013 15:18:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: musl@lists.openwall.com To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-4057-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Mon Sep 23 17:18:35 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VO7u9-0008FU-KH for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:18:29 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 19868 invoked by uid 550); 23 Sep 2013 15:18:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 19860 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2013 15:18:29 -0000 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:subject:to:cc:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qpZGVUh+Z1kPx2/O4lbudJgyFYoXEQ1fTTcRfNh4YKw=; b=Ti+8ogcZP/BYpW59TWkKGmsT2qaFGCBrHdph1ksu4GYpG7TItY79iI/fcz/QamzVfb mnmhO7w8iS6JGCHhX11MI1TLKHX3tjUPkDCQB9xyKZ5MJawcivq1zNZyAhwj9wsoDbK2 zrnWVgLAFfyEK2TCVspp7Z9fLCulikXCQpOFUBZxRitPiojEjtVLL6fxrS9AHwsQeVT/ SXcow/YTbBuk1uXiXLG1Q3Xk7KLcMwz1emZe2LPGz9M+eADAZqrd1i+qnxmIuzpAVMn6 A63A5uWAvkfa3wRiKlSkqc+j0Cxvsdrj9L2A5/EA6hLYV68arc3FbKniQsOJ7IgybedK 3Xvw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlk6yHA6pNNwvL/Cu1mJxFYpbTGpybCtKPBCJcy2mbKSGMx43/nWJ2vfjEm37r40iiXQ0Qn X-Received: by 10.182.98.162 with SMTP id ej2mr671148obb.61.1379949496389; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 08:18:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <524051AD.8070008@gentoo.org> (from lu_zero@gentoo.org on Mon Sep 23 09:35:25 2013) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.4.11 Content-Disposition: inline Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:4053 Archived-At: On 09/23/2013 09:35:25 AM, Luca Barbato wrote: > On 23/09/13 16:08, Rob Landley wrote: > > systemd is the second coming of devfsd. A lot of us are waiting for =20 > it > > to blow over. >=20 > Given the economic and PR support it won't blow over easily if > alternatives on par on the PR side won't appear. Exact same argument applied to Windows. > Keep in mind that pigs can fly just nicely if propelled adequately. =20 > The > landing could be problematic though. Mainframe -> minicomputer -> microcomputer -> smartphone. Arguing about =20 how Red Hat Enterprise does it today is like arguing over how the VAX =20 did it circa 1991. Linux on the desktop didn't happen. Past tense. There are a billion =20 android devices in use today. The new iPhone is explicitly a desktop =20 replacement with a 64 bit processor, support for bluetooth mice and =20 keyboards, and airplay to put the display on any HDTV: http://www.cringely.com/2013/09/19/the-secret-of-ios-7/ Android's not far behind. All we have to do is prevent systemd from =20 being adopted by Android and Lennart's Hairball can get kicked up into =20 the server space with the previous generation of hardware like Cobol =20 before it, where we don't have to care unless we want to be our =20 generation's version of punched card job control wranglers for the =20 money. Rob=