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From: Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@inria.fr>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Deduplicating atomics written in terms of CAS
Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 01:22:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1431904969.4219.9.camel@inria.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150517223327.GR17573@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

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Am Sonntag, den 17.05.2015, 18:33 -0400 schrieb Rich Felker:
> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:23:07AM +0200, Jens Gustedt wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, den 17.05.2015, 13:59 -0400 schrieb Rich Felker:
> > > > Ah sorry, I probably went too fast. My last paragraph would be for all
> > > > atomic operations, so in particular 32 bit. A macro "a_load" would
> > > > make intentions clearer and would perhaps allow to implement an
> > > > optional compile time check to see if we use any object consistently
> > > > as atomic or not.
> > > 
> > > The reason I'm mildly against this is that all current reads of
> > > atomics, except via the return value of a_cas or a_fetch_add, are
> > > relaxed-order. We don't care if we see a stale value; if staleness
> > > could be a problem, the caller takes care of that in an efficient way.
> > > Having a_load that's relaxed-order whereas all the existing atomics
> > > are seq_cst order would be an inconsistent API design.
> > 
> > I still wasn't clear enough, sorry. My idea was not that such a
> > function or macro should change anything on the binary code that is
> > produced, at least for production builds. I just thought to
> > encapsulate all atomic accesses into a type and functions that allow
> > to have a compile check.
> 
> I understand that. But if it were called a_load, its semantics (no
> synchronization/relaxed order) would be inconsistent with all other
> a_* atomics which are seq_cst. That's what I don't like.

Right. So call it a_load_rel, or something similar?

Jens

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-17 23:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-17  4:55 Rich Felker
2015-05-17  6:00 ` Alexander Monakov
2015-05-17  6:14   ` Rich Felker
2015-05-17  7:37     ` Jens Gustedt
2015-05-17 16:28       ` Rich Felker
2015-05-17 16:59         ` Jens Gustedt
2015-05-17 17:59           ` Rich Felker
2015-05-17 22:23             ` Jens Gustedt
2015-05-17 22:33               ` Rich Felker
2015-05-17 23:22                 ` Jens Gustedt [this message]
2015-05-18 10:19               ` Szabolcs Nagy
2015-05-18 11:03                 ` Jens Gustedt
2015-05-17  6:49 ` Jens Gustedt
2015-05-17 16:22   ` Rich Felker
2015-05-17 17:19     ` Jens Gustedt

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