* Release very far behind schedule @ 2014-10-08 14:53 Rich Felker 2014-10-08 15:13 ` Timo Teras ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Rich Felker @ 2014-10-08 14:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: musl Hi all, First of all, some apologies: both that the 1.1.5 release is quite a bit behind the roadmap schedule, and that the wiki is down (and thus the roadmap isn't visible so nobody can see how far behind the release is :-). Jeremy is aware that the wiki is down but doesn't have much time to devote to it, so we should look for a new solution for hosting and maintaining it in the future. With regards to the release, I think everything important is done. I'd like to run some tests and I'd like feedback if there are any new regressions or pending _trivial_ things I'm forgetting (trivial in the sense of small, obviously-correct patches that I might have overlooked, not anything that's going to require review or discussion). Hopefully I can get this out in the next day or two. It's been "basically done" for quite a while now, which in a sense is a good thing -- it means there's been a good window of opportunity for catching regressions -- but it's never fun to have stagnation of development like this. Rich ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Release very far behind schedule 2014-10-08 14:53 Release very far behind schedule Rich Felker @ 2014-10-08 15:13 ` Timo Teras 2014-10-08 17:50 ` Tim Tassonis 2014-10-09 10:41 ` Release very far behind schedule Anthony G. Basile 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Timo Teras @ 2014-10-08 15:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rich Felker; +Cc: musl On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 10:53:18 -0400 Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote: > With regards to the release, I think everything important is done. I'd > like to run some tests and I'd like feedback if there are any new > regressions or pending _trivial_ things I'm forgetting (trivial in the > sense of small, obviously-correct patches that I might have > overlooked, not anything that's going to require review or > discussion). Hopefully I can get this out in the next day or two. It's > been "basically done" for quite a while now, which in a sense is a > good thing -- it means there's been a good window of opportunity for > catching regressions -- but it's never fun to have stagnation of > development like this. FWIW, we have musl git snapshot of 3e936ce8 in Alpine "edge", and it seems to run smooth (now that the flockfile list corruption is fixed). We do have several crazy developers (including me) who run that on their main day-to-day box/laptop - so it has received at least moderate amount of real life testing. /Timo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Release very far behind schedule 2014-10-08 14:53 Release very far behind schedule Rich Felker 2014-10-08 15:13 ` Timo Teras @ 2014-10-08 17:50 ` Tim Tassonis 2014-10-08 20:09 ` Natanael Copa 2014-10-09 10:41 ` Release very far behind schedule Anthony G. Basile 2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Tim Tassonis @ 2014-10-08 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: musl, Rich Felker On October 8, 2014 4:53:36 PM Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > Jeremy is aware that the wiki is down but doesn't have much > time to devote to it, so we should look for a new solution for hosting > and maintaining it in the future. I could do the hosting for free, as me and a friend run a little hosting business. I'd have to know what software you'd need on the server, but this shouldn't be a problem, we have ubuntu servers with apache, php, mysql and postgres, normal stuff. If you need something else, we could install that, too. Kind regards Tim > > Rich ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Release very far behind schedule 2014-10-08 17:50 ` Tim Tassonis @ 2014-10-08 20:09 ` Natanael Copa 2014-10-09 10:57 ` Tim Tassonis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Natanael Copa @ 2014-10-08 20:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tim Tassonis; +Cc: musl, Rich Felker On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 19:50:10 +0200 Tim Tassonis <stuff@decentral.ch> wrote: > > > On October 8, 2014 4:53:36 PM Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Jeremy is aware that the wiki is down but doesn't have much > > time to devote to it, so we should look for a new solution for hosting > > and maintaining it in the future. > > I could do the hosting for free, as me and a friend run a little hosting > business. > I'd have to know what software you'd need on the server, but this shouldn't > be a problem, we have ubuntu servers with apache, php, mysql and postgres, > normal stuff. If you need something else, we could install that, too. How about using Alpine Linux for it so its powered by musl libc? -nc ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Release very far behind schedule 2014-10-08 20:09 ` Natanael Copa @ 2014-10-09 10:57 ` Tim Tassonis 2014-10-10 5:31 ` Rich Felker 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Tim Tassonis @ 2014-10-09 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Natanael Copa; +Cc: musl, Rich Felker On October 8, 2014 10:09:49 PM Natanael Copa <ncopa@alpinelinux.org> wrote: > On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 19:50:10 +0200 > Tim Tassonis <stuff@decentral.ch> wrote: > > > > > > > On October 8, 2014 4:53:36 PM Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Jeremy is aware that the wiki is down but doesn't have much > > > time to devote to it, so we should look for a new solution for hosting > > > and maintaining it in the future. > > > > I could do the hosting for free, as me and a friend run a little hosting > > business. > > I'd have to know what software you'd need on the server, but this shouldn't > > be a problem, we have ubuntu servers with apache, php, mysql and postgres, > > normal stuff. If you need something else, we could install that, too. > > How about using Alpine Linux for it so its powered by musl libc? > > -nc Well, it would be a shared hosting on an existing system, so the os cannot be changed, I'm afraid. Tim ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Release very far behind schedule 2014-10-09 10:57 ` Tim Tassonis @ 2014-10-10 5:31 ` Rich Felker 2014-10-14 20:13 ` Wiki Hosting (Re: Release very far behind schedule) William Haddon 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Rich Felker @ 2014-10-10 5:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tim Tassonis; +Cc: Natanael Copa, musl On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 12:57:46PM +0200, Tim Tassonis wrote: > >> On October 8, 2014 4:53:36 PM Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote: > >> > Jeremy is aware that the wiki is down but doesn't have much > >> > time to devote to it, so we should look for a new solution for hosting > >> > and maintaining it in the future. > >> > >> I could do the hosting for free, as me and a friend run a little hosting > >> business. > >> I'd have to know what software you'd need on the server, but this shouldn't > >> be a problem, we have ubuntu servers with apache, php, mysql and postgres, > >> normal stuff. If you need something else, we could install that, too. > > > >How about using Alpine Linux for it so its powered by musl libc? While not essential, this would certainly be nice. > Well, it would be a shared hosting on an existing system, so the os > cannot be changed, I'm afraid. I don't want to be micro-managing things like hosting and maintenance of the wiki, which is obviously something of a time-drain. However, I do tend to think shared hosting is a poor solution these days: - It makes it a lot more of a pain to move, if we need to do so again in the future -- instead of just re-deploying a fully working system image, individual software components need to be installed and configured to match the expectations of the site. - It's generally much less robust and secure. Security bugs, or just out-of-control memory usage and load, from another site on the same hosting can bring down or compromise the wiki. Being that it's just the wiki and not the git/release hosting, that's not a huge concern, but it still counts for something. I'm ok with keeping any options open for now, but let's see if we can get some more to consider too. All in all, the more-important issue anyway seems to be making sure we have somebody who's going to be with the project for at least a moderately long term and have time and resources to devote to keeping the wiki running well -- dealing with spam, account troubles, hosting problems, etc. Rich ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Wiki Hosting (Re: Release very far behind schedule) 2014-10-10 5:31 ` Rich Felker @ 2014-10-14 20:13 ` William Haddon 2014-10-15 16:24 ` Рысь 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: William Haddon @ 2014-10-14 20:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: musl Hi all. I am a lurker on this mailing list, and have also contributed occasional patches to musl. I am also running a small business that provides web hosting. While I am unfortunately not in a position to be able to provide hosting for free, I could rent a separate VPS and host the musl wiki using Alpine Linux for a slightly higher fee than I charge for shared hosting. As a fan of musl, if I like working with Alpine Linux, I might consider using it for other customers. It looks like you were previously using ikiWiki based on Perl for the wiki. I could use ikiWiki, or if there were problems with that, I could instead use any other wiki software of your choice, or for an additional fee develop new wiki software. Just another option for you to consider. Cheers, William Haddon On 10/10/2014 01:31:04 AM, Rich Felker wrote: > On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 12:57:46PM +0200, Tim Tassonis wrote: > > >> On October 8, 2014 4:53:36 PM Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> > wrote: > > >> > Jeremy is aware that the wiki is down but doesn't have much > > >> > time to devote to it, so we should look for a new solution for > hosting > > >> > and maintaining it in the future. > > >> > > >> I could do the hosting for free, as me and a friend run a little > hosting > > >> business. > > >> I'd have to know what software you'd need on the server, but > this > shouldn't > > >> be a problem, we have ubuntu servers with apache, php, mysql and > postgres, > > >> normal stuff. If you need something else, we could install that, > too. > > > > > >How about using Alpine Linux for it so its powered by musl libc? > > While not essential, this would certainly be nice. > > > Well, it would be a shared hosting on an existing system, so the os > > cannot be changed, I'm afraid. > > I don't want to be micro-managing things like hosting and maintenance > of the wiki, which is obviously something of a time-drain. However, I > do tend to think shared hosting is a poor solution these days: > > - It makes it a lot more of a pain to move, if we need to do so again > in the future -- instead of just re-deploying a fully working > system > image, individual software components need to be installed and > configured to match the expectations of the site. > > - It's generally much less robust and secure. Security bugs, or just > out-of-control memory usage and load, from another site on the same > hosting can bring down or compromise the wiki. Being that it's just > the wiki and not the git/release hosting, that's not a huge > concern, > but it still counts for something. > > I'm ok with keeping any options open for now, but let's see if we can > get some more to consider too. All in all, the more-important issue > anyway seems to be making sure we have somebody who's going to be > with > the project for at least a moderately long term and have time and > resources to devote to keeping the wiki running well -- dealing with > spam, account troubles, hosting problems, etc. > > Rich > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Wiki Hosting (Re: Release very far behind schedule) 2014-10-14 20:13 ` Wiki Hosting (Re: Release very far behind schedule) William Haddon @ 2014-10-15 16:24 ` Рысь 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Рысь @ 2014-10-15 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: musl Well, if someone here still wants to find hosting for musl wiki (or other future _musl_ infrastructure), I can give one or more qemu KVM for free with your OS in it. The only limitations/requirements: - Control console will not be available. - Single public IP address with other websites which are routed through nginx frontend. - If you need really big amount of traffic, then it's not an option. - You must send your prepared OS image which is ready to do things. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Release very far behind schedule 2014-10-08 14:53 Release very far behind schedule Rich Felker 2014-10-08 15:13 ` Timo Teras 2014-10-08 17:50 ` Tim Tassonis @ 2014-10-09 10:41 ` Anthony G. Basile 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Anthony G. Basile @ 2014-10-09 10:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: musl On 10/08/14 10:53, Rich Felker wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, some apologies: both that the 1.1.5 release is quite a > bit behind the roadmap schedule, and that the wiki is down (and thus > the roadmap isn't visible so nobody can see how far behind the release > is :-). Jeremy is aware that the wiki is down but doesn't have much > time to devote to it, so we should look for a new solution for hosting > and maintaining it in the future. > > With regards to the release, I think everything important is done. I'd > like to run some tests and I'd like feedback if there are any new > regressions or pending _trivial_ things I'm forgetting (trivial in the > sense of small, obviously-correct patches that I might have > overlooked, not anything that's going to require review or > discussion). Hopefully I can get this out in the next day or two. It's > been "basically done" for quite a while now, which in a sense is a > good thing -- it means there's been a good window of opportunity for > catching regressions -- but it's never fun to have stagnation of > development like this. > > Rich > A rebuild of the gentoo stage3's for amd64 and i686 showed no regressions. I have not yet tested arm and mips. -- Anthony G. Basile, Ph. D. Chair of Information Technology D'Youville College Buffalo, NY 14201 (716) 829-8197 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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