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From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Joakim Tjernlund <Joakim.Tjernlund@infinera.com>,
	"ldv@altlinux.org" <ldv@altlinux.org>,
	"mpe@ellerman.id.au" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
Cc: "libc-dev@lists.llvm.org" <libc-dev@lists.llvm.org>,
	"linux-api@vger.kernel.org" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"musl@lists.openwall.com" <musl@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: [musl] Re: Linux powerpc new system call instruction and ABI
Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 21:12:36 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1621422559.vsmpjhjqzq.astroid@bobo.none> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1621413143.oec64jaci5.astroid@bobo.none>

Excerpts from Nicholas Piggin's message of May 19, 2021 6:42 pm:
> Excerpts from Joakim Tjernlund's message of May 19, 2021 6:08 pm:
>> On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 17:55 +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote:
>>> Excerpts from Joakim Tjernlund's message of May 19, 2021 5:33 pm:
>>> > On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 02:13 +0300, Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
>>> > > Hi,
>>> > > 
>>> > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 06:12:01PM +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote:
>>> > > [...]
>>> > > > - Error handling: The consensus among kernel, glibc, and musl is to move to
>>> > > >   using negative return values in r3 rather than CR0[SO]=1 to indicate error,
>>> > > >   which matches most other architectures, and is closer to a function call.
>>> > 
>>> > What about syscalls like times(2) which can return -1 without it being an error?
>>> 
>>> They do become errors / indistinguishable and have to be dealt with by 
>>> libc or userspace. Which does follow what most architectures do (all 
>>> except ia64, mips, sparc, and powerpc actually).
>>> 
>>> Interesting question though, it should have been noted.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Nick
>> 
>> I always figured the ppc way was superior. It begs the question if not the other archs should
>> change instead?
> 
> It is superior in some ways, not enough to be worth being different.
> 
> Other archs are unlikely to change because it would be painful for
> not much benefit. New system calls just should be made to not return
> error numbers. If we ever had a big new version of syscall ABI in
> Linux, we can always use another scv vector number for it.

Or... is it possible at syscall entry to peek the address of
the instruction which caused the call and see if that was a
scv instruction? That would be about as reliable as possible
without having that new flag bit.

Thanks,
Nick

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-19 11:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-11  8:12 [musl] " Nicholas Piggin
2020-06-11  8:12 ` [musl] [PATCH 1/2] powerpc/64s/exception: treat NIA below __end_interrupts as soft-masked Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-24 13:25   ` [musl] " Michael Ellerman
2020-06-11  8:12 ` [musl] [PATCH 2/2] powerpc/64s: system call support for scv/rfscv instructions Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-23  6:47   ` [musl] " Michael Ellerman
2020-07-23 16:48     ` Christophe Leroy
2020-07-24 10:45       ` Michael Ellerman
2020-06-11 21:02 ` [musl] Re: Linux powerpc new system call instruction and ABI Segher Boessenkool
2020-06-14  9:26   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-05-18 23:13 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2021-05-19  2:50   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-05-19  5:01     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-05-21 19:40       ` Matheus Castanho
2021-05-21 19:52         ` Florian Weimer
2021-05-21 20:00           ` Matheus Castanho
2021-05-21 20:52             ` Dmitry V. Levin
2021-05-24 12:11               ` Matheus Castanho
2021-05-24 20:33                 ` Matheus Castanho
2021-05-19 10:24     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2021-05-19 10:59       ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-05-19 12:39         ` Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho
2021-05-19 13:26         ` Dmitry V. Levin
2021-05-19 22:51           ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-05-19 23:27             ` Dmitry V. Levin
2021-05-20  2:40               ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-05-20  3:06                 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2021-05-20  5:12                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-05-19  7:33   ` Joakim Tjernlund
2021-05-19  7:55     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-05-19  8:08       ` Joakim Tjernlund
2021-05-19  8:42         ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-05-19 11:12           ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2021-05-19 14:38           ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-19 15:06             ` Joakim Tjernlund
2021-05-19 15:22               ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-19 15:36                 ` Rich Felker
2021-05-19 18:09                 ` Joakim Tjernlund
2021-05-19 23:48                   ` Rich Felker
2021-05-20  1:06                     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2021-05-20  2:45                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-05-20  2:59                         ` Dmitry V. Levin
2021-05-20  7:20                           ` Nicholas Piggin

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