From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19416 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2020 11:02:05 -0000 Received: from mother.openwall.net (195.42.179.200) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 28 Oct 2020 11:02:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 32633 invoked by uid 550); 28 Oct 2020 11:02:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-ID: Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com Received: (qmail 5612 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2020 10:06:11 -0000 Message-ID: <1cf98be6a5be0cc841db58534767856f96baf69c.camel@klomp.org> From: Mark Wielaard To: Rich Felker Cc: Florian Weimer , musl@lists.openwall.com, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9rico?= Rolim , elfutils-devel@sourceware.org, Max Rees Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:05:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20201027222515.GW534@brightrain.aerifal.cx> References: <723b967389be88475206c5afc280c3be02ab677c.camel@klomp.org> <20201026175430.GA6473@sachiel> <73a9e67dd5887f31663ef3ac4e9c683a133b3a0d.camel@klomp.org> <20201026232543.GR534@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <87wnzc81r9.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> <69fc8640a4ec2d22fdf3e6526c5f0040e42b524a.camel@klomp.org> <20201027170817.GS534@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20201027221911.GB2691@wildebeest.org> <20201027222515.GW534@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 (3.28.5-10.el7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [musl] Re: [QUESTION] Which fnmatch() functionality does elfutils depend on? Hi Rich, On Tue, 2020-10-27 at 18:25 -0400, Rich Felker wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 11:19:11PM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 01:08:17PM -0400, Rich Felker wrote: > > > They do because they're also in space, unless you want > > > exponential-time which is huge even on small inputs, and greater than > > > O(1) space requirement means the interface can't satisfy its contract > > > to return a conclusive result for valid inputs. > >=20 > > But that isn't the contract if fnmatch. fnmatch returns 0 for a match > > and non-zero for either a non-match or some error. So if your > > algorithm hits some error case, like out of memory, returning a > > non-zero result is fine. > >=20 > > I believe the extended wildcard pattern are widely supported and > > useful. If you don't want to implement them because they aren't in any > > standardized enough yet we can ask the Austin Group to add them to > > fnmatch. They have adopted other GNU flags for fnmatch in the past. >=20 > And I can ask them not to. Your hostility is really unwelcome here. No hostility intended at all. Please assume postive intend. I was just pointing out what I believe are technical facts. That extended wildcard patterns are well defined and supported in various context, how Posix defines the fnmatch contract (which explicitly allows for error handling) and that the Austin group has been willing to document and specify GNU extensions to various standard functions. I am really just trying to help some people who would like musl add support for functionality elfutils relies on or find workarounds for missing functionality. I realize extended wildcard support through fnmatch is just one small part of that. There are certainly larger issues to overcome. As far as I can see musl doesn't support argp, obstack, fts, symbol versions and various on-stack string functions. So there is certainly some work to do. But hopefully we can do that without taking away any useful features from either project. I don't believe anybody is trying to be hostile by trying to make these projects work together. I do think it is useful to see if we can standardize some of these glibc extensions projects are relying on. Cheers, Mark