From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/842 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Szabolcs Nagy Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Vision for new platform Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:07:44 +0200 Message-ID: <20120518060743.GB17860@port70.net> References: <20120518010620.GW163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1337321280 15961 80.91.229.3 (18 May 2012 06:08:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 06:08:00 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-843-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Fri May 18 08:07:59 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SVGM0-0001Ig-GF for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Fri, 18 May 2012 08:07:56 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 13508 invoked by uid 550); 18 May 2012 06:07:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 13500 invoked from network); 18 May 2012 06:07:56 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120518010620.GW163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:842 Archived-At: * Rich Felker [2012-05-17 21:06:20 -0400]: > A mid- to long-term goal I've had on top of musl is putting together > the basis for an efficient user-oriented embedded/mobile platform, for > things like netbooks, phones, tablets, etc. Struggling with a Debian > upgrade and massive breakage of NetworkManager and bluetooth support > in non-desktop-environment setting over the past few days has had me > thinking a lot more about how utterly broken the current direction > freedesktop.org and related projects are taking the "Linux platform" > is, and also the lack of viable alternatives. yes > - network connector > - media mounter > - pluggable devices such as: video capture/webcam, audio, printers, > scanners, obex/bluetooth file transfer, etc. > - file/device/application browsing/management nice some of these would require lot of work (i'm thinking about current audio or printing infrastructure.. where every device has different capabilities and thus requires separate configuration) > would be fully capable of running and interoperating with existing gui > *applications* written for X/GNOME/KDE/whatever, but not necessarily > compatible with any of the system-level junk these environments use. i wonder if that's possible considering all the tight interdependency between the system-level junk and desktop applications