From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/960 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rich Felker Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: [PATCH] makefile: add silent rules Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:18:14 -0400 Message-ID: <20120607131814.GZ163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> References: <1339056785-21979-1-git-send-email-lu_zero@gentoo.org> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1339075377 23053 80.91.229.3 (7 Jun 2012 13:22:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:22:57 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-961-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Thu Jun 07 15:22:56 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sccfu-00070Z-M3 for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:22:54 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 24051 invoked by uid 550); 7 Jun 2012 13:22:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 24043 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2012 13:22:54 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:960 Archived-At: On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 03:12:48PM +0200, Igmar Palsenberg wrote: > > > > make V=1 to disable them > > > > This was NACK'ed a month ago. I'm with the NACK crew, I hardly find > this useful, and I like fast scrolling terminals :) I'm not as adamant on it, but I'm also in the group that doesn't like this "new style" of makefile output. Most annoyingly, when something goes wrong, you have to re-run make with V=1 to see what was actually happening. Oftentimes I find I want to rerun a command with -S instead of -c (to examine the generated asm) or with different CFLAGS when dealing with an unexpected ICE or similar. By the way, I'm also against using $(RM), $(LN), etc.; as far as I can tell that's useless Windows pandering, since these commands are entirely standard on POSIX. $(INSTALL) might make sense (since it's not specified in the standards) but it would be a low priority. The reason $(AR) and $(RANLIB) exist is for the purpose of cross compiling (although in reality, .a files are mostly arch-agnostic and the host ar probably works fine for the target). Rich