From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/993 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Isaac Dunham Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Hello Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:49:54 -0700 Message-ID: <20120607224954.0e4649ed@newbook> References: <20120607200123.402a1672@sibserver.ru> <4FD0A902.6070108@barfooze.de> <20120607231831.66c78c33@sibserver.ru> <4FD0D6D9.5080707@barfooze.de> <20120607161928.GE163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20120608011516.0b5fca7d@sibserver.ru> <20120608033141.GH163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1339134793 14059 80.91.229.3 (8 Jun 2012 05:53:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 05:53:13 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-994-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Fri Jun 08 07:53:12 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Scs8F-0001DI-9N for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 07:53:11 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 24154 invoked by uid 550); 8 Jun 2012 05:53:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 24146 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2012 05:53:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lavabit; d=lavabit.com; b=yvvAyjI/pEJPpNAfQUDz6KoIxIgpVh+mZzxfcR8CrwCpztd1PP3ldsLSdS8PE8vZWaCLt3AlZwPEMMgMP6BhZSQ0MX3a87z1w+Otm//flil+ACtOpUsGbk2QXHBgsO2h7ZevAwF6Ste1E3JfSsu9G+7Pkk4r2uuFbQIjP+LxJVc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; In-Reply-To: <20120608033141.GH163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:993 Archived-At: On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 23:31:41 -0400 Rich Felker wrote: > On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 01:15:16AM +0800, orc wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:19:28 -0400 > > Rich Felker wrote: > > When building and running X I got only one thing: for 3D, games and > > so on I need a dedicated machine with videoboard vendor's drivers > > (no matter opensource it or proprietary). For anything else, I > > would use vesa. > Unless reading video memory has gotten substantially faster (i.e. the > same speed as main memory) I don't think vesa suffices for ANY use. > The way the X server is written, almost all common operations require > reading back from video memory if implemented in software. This could > be avoided by changing the implementation to do everything on a > mirrored buffer in main memory and only copy the final version to > video memory, but as far as I know that was never done. Works/usable on a 2000 Dell Dimension/PIII@800MHz/128 to 256 MB RAM/i810 graphics running NetBSD 5.1. (with an i810, there are no usable drivers at present...though kdrive i810 might work if I can dig it up...) However, I can't compile vesa drivers with musl. (vesa needs sys/vm86.h to use the BIOS drivers, and sys/io.h for hardware) Also, uvesafb (the universal framebuffer driver) may not work with musl: it relies on a userspace daemon, which uses vm86 or libx86 (which in turn wants vm86, though it can emulate it...) Isaac Dunham