From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/990 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rich Felker Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Hello Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 23:31:41 -0400 Message-ID: <20120608033141.GH163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> References: <20120607200123.402a1672@sibserver.ru> <4FD0A902.6070108@barfooze.de> <20120607231831.66c78c33@sibserver.ru> <4FD0D6D9.5080707@barfooze.de> <20120607161928.GE163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20120608011516.0b5fca7d@sibserver.ru> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1339126581 30719 80.91.229.3 (8 Jun 2012 03:36:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 03:36:21 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-991-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Fri Jun 08 05:36:20 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Scpzn-0002Dc-Bm for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 05:36:19 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 24174 invoked by uid 550); 8 Jun 2012 03:36:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 24166 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2012 03:36:19 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120608011516.0b5fca7d@sibserver.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:990 Archived-At: On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 01:15:16AM +0800, orc wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:19:28 -0400 > Rich Felker wrote: > > > As far as the server goes, even the oldest X server versions should > > work fine with modern software (aside from possibly being really slow > > when the software wants to do 3D, etc.). That's how X was designed. > > > Of course we need modern X11libs for that. But yes, server expects only > Xau, Xdmcp, crypto for ssl (modern X links to stuff like udev, pixman > and others, but this can be avoided). > When building and running X I got only one thing: for 3D, games and so > on I need a dedicated machine with videoboard vendor's drivers (no > matter opensource it or proprietary). For anything else, I would use > vesa. Unless reading video memory has gotten substantially faster (i.e. the same speed as main memory) I don't think vesa suffices for ANY use. The way the X server is written, almost all common operations require reading back from video memory if implemented in software. This could be avoided by changing the implementation to do everything on a mirrored buffer in main memory and only copy the final version to video memory, but as far as I know that was never done. If I'm wrong and video memory access issues have changed all this much in the past 4 or 5 years, please ignore this message... > So there is a question: will musl support this configs? Or I will > need patchelf and 'libc6-legacy' for them? It's intended to work, but I don't know whether it does yet. Rich