From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/1422 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Isaac Dunham Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: musl 0.9.3 released Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:39:48 -0700 Message-ID: <20120805163948.37781cf1@newbook> References: <20120803023633.GG544@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <9251.50.0.229.11.1344128449.squirrel@lavabit.com> <501DEF70.6060900@barfooze.de> <40178.50.0.229.11.1344142584.squirrel@lavabit.com> <20120805052219.GH544@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1344210046 25928 80.91.229.3 (5 Aug 2012 23:40:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:40:46 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-1423-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Mon Aug 06 01:40:47 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SyARC-0002f2-Pn for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:40:46 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 19844 invoked by uid 550); 5 Aug 2012 23:40:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 19836 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 23:40:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lavabit; d=lavabit.com; b=SGD4vOFw6x+LyxMzt6ESr1+pxPf3hv4FCG1qWhq6N6xlQQx4dFeWBxS6yhRRGzzzdQ3ZyNoV7UAWnYROvnbx+1AJcEIySxSSfKu17Bj9r7AT/vrq8skHWyw9LaQgUHzD7UJMXfn/tNlHyHsViH22lHzfcE4rHRpEEf+prZgU7Pg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; In-Reply-To: <20120805052219.GH544@brightrain.aerifal.cx> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:1422 Archived-At: On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 01:22:20 -0400 Rich Felker wrote: > On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 12:56:24AM -0400, idunham@lavabit.com wrote: > > > On 08/05/2012 03:00 AM, idunham@lavabit.com wrote: > > >> > > >>> I'd also like to finish and integrate the rest of rdp's porting > > >>> work (mips64, ppc, and microblaze) and possibly get an x32 > > >>> (32-bit ABI on x86_64) port underway, and integrate additional > > >>> hash function support (blowfish, sha, md5) for crypt. > > >> All of these sound good. > > ...In other words, if you or someone you are in > > commmunication with is going to start using musl x32 for any reason > > besides "It happens to be supported". > > If I were going to switch to x86_64 cpu, which I will probably do in > the next few years, x32 would certainly be appealing. Not decided for > sure, but it seems very nice to get all the important benefits of a > 64-bit cpu with none of the bloat. I think this sounds appealing to > a big part of musl's target userbase too... OK, that's what I was asking. > > >> Something other than standard crypt (isn't that DES, which can be > > >> cracked in a day on the right machine?) would be one of the more > > >> interesting ones from my perspective. Remembering the recent > > >> test results, I'd be hoping for bcrypt as well (it's where OpenCL > > >> cracking gets the least benefit). > > > which test results are you referring to ? > > > > best discussion: > > http://openwall.info/wiki/john/GPU > > http://openwall.info/wiki/john/GPU/bcrypt > > 4. This is "If you plan to add hashes (which Rich has stated > > that he hopes to do, in the original post), please consider > > making bcrypt one of them." > > How bloated is it? Sadly crypto folks seem to love giant bloated > tables... Well, now that I look it up, bcrypt() is blowfish crypt() (at least, it's the primary blowfish-based crypt()--it does have a few peculiarities of its own) It is somewhat expensive in terms of resources, per the results mentioned.