From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/1413 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rich Felker Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: musl 0.9.3 released Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:46:52 -0400 Message-ID: <20120805164652.GJ544@brightrain.aerifal.cx> References: <20120803023633.GG544@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <9251.50.0.229.11.1344128449.squirrel@lavabit.com> <501DEF70.6060900@barfooze.de> <40178.50.0.229.11.1344142584.squirrel@lavabit.com> <20120805052219.GH544@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20120806003112.4fd471cd@sibserver.ru> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1344185187 23638 80.91.229.3 (5 Aug 2012 16:46:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:46:27 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-1414-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Sun Aug 05 18:46:27 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy3yF-0006ph-CG for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 18:46:27 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 17533 invoked by uid 550); 5 Aug 2012 16:46:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 17525 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 16:46:26 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120806003112.4fd471cd@sibserver.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:1413 Archived-At: On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 12:31:12AM +0800, orc wrote: > On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 01:22:20 -0400 > Rich Felker wrote: > > > If I were going to switch to x86_64 cpu, which I will probably do in > > the next few years, x32 would certainly be appealing. Not decided for > > sure, but it seems very nice to get all the important benefits of a > > 64-bit cpu with none of the bloat. > > Somewhat bloated, but not so much. Often I see only that massive apps > like web browsers eat much of RAM usually. 2G usually enough for me to > run 3-4 qemu-kvm's and bloated Firefox 12 (eats about 700M usually, > critical was 1G and 100M swap, 1 month of it's uptime). Now I use 4G > (additional 2G is for tmpfs. I like to store large blobs in /tmp often). > I use x86_64 for 3 years without any problems. If Firefox (or any > application of same class, chromium probably) will continue to grow, > then five or seven years will be enough to make x32 be obsoleted > (compared with ff3, it's maximum memusage was 300M, and for 3.6 it was > 400M). Assuming the market is shifting to battery-powered mobile devices possibly intended to run for days or even weeks without charging, I think we're going to start seeing some more efficient apps. I don't doubt the old behemoths will still be around for a while, but musl is developed with the assumption/intention that efficiency is going to be one of the important design criteria for future software. If we were happy with the level of bloat you're describing above, I think lots of people in this community would just forget about musl and use glibc... Rich