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From: Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: static linking and dlopen
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 12:54:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121209175452.GD20323@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKHv7pj7zF2SvDCrEuAWrv-2WPewPH+c36c-2wkibyuku940=Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 05:24:29PM +0200, Paul Schutte wrote:
> This makes sense.
>  Wonder if there is a spesific reason why the browser folks does'nt produce
> a statically linked browser anymore.
> The browsers would be good candidates for what you mentioned about C++ and
> dynamic bloat.

It's because dynamic linking is part of their _development_ model. My
understanding is that they lack proper functional makefiles that would
facilitate clean incremental compiling and linking, so they instead
break the project up into a number of separate library components, and
they can then rebuild just a single component to test (since it gets
dynamically loaded anyway) rather than having to rebuild the whole
program from scratch.

While I think this is a stupid development model, as long as they're
just doing it for development, it doesn't really harm end users that
much. The problem is that they don't have a "release" build mode that
just links everything together the right way. It's not clear to me
whether this would be easy to change; it's possible that, due to
always using dynamic linking internally, a number of dependencies on
dynamic-linking-related behavior (symbol interposition, accessing
things via dlsym, etc.) crept into the code, and would be painful to
exorcise (especially under the constraint of not breaking their
dynamic builds).

Rich


  reply	other threads:[~2012-12-09 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-08 18:09 Paul Schutte
2012-12-08 20:47 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2012-12-09 20:02   ` Rob Landley
2012-12-08 22:52 ` Rich Felker
2012-12-08 23:17   ` Charlie Kester
2012-12-08 23:23     ` Rich Felker
2012-12-09  0:04       ` Paul Schutte
2012-12-09  0:16         ` Rich Felker
2012-12-09 15:24           ` Paul Schutte
2012-12-09 17:54             ` Rich Felker [this message]
2012-12-09 19:07               ` Szabolcs Nagy
2012-12-09 19:24                 ` Rich Felker
2012-12-09  2:39         ` Szabolcs Nagy
2012-12-09  6:36     ` croco
2012-12-09  7:25       ` Isaac Dunham
2012-12-09  8:10         ` Charlie Kester
2012-12-09 10:08         ` croco
2012-12-09 11:46           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2012-12-09 15:11             ` Rich Felker
2012-12-09 20:43           ` Rob Landley
2012-12-08 23:29   ` Paul Schutte
2012-12-09  2:55   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2012-12-09  3:10     ` Rich Felker
2012-12-09  7:30     ` Isaac Dunham
2012-12-09 20:09   ` Rob Landley
2012-12-09 21:53     ` Rich Felker

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