From: Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries?
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:46:40 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130423014639.GW20323@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1366678495.18069.154@driftwood>
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 07:54:55PM -0500, Rob Landley wrote:
> On 04/22/2013 06:31:10 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
> >On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:24:06PM -0500, Rob Landley wrote:
> >> Many moons ago I started a thread on here (or was it on freenode?)
> >> asking about lightweight alternatives to stuff and the need for a
> >> wiki page tracking them.
> >>
> >> I believe that at the time, the musl wiki was insufficiently
> >> combobulated, but it has since been fixed. The
> >> http://busybox.net/tinyutils.html page is old is stale and never
> >> really had good coverage, http://elinux.org/System_Size is sort of
> >> adjacent to the topic. If we do come up with anything, can we put it
> >> on a wiki page?
> >
> >That would be a perfectly acceptable topic for the wiki.
>
> Obviously I'd nominate toybox. (And busybox.) If only so you have a
> context for "ok, what do these NOT cover".
Of course. My proposed criteria would just be:
1. Must be free software.
2. Duplicates a significant portion of the usage cases of a program or
library that's widely perceived as bloated or otherwise problematic
for systems musl might be used on, in a way that fixes some or all of
these problems. Reasons other than bloat might be waking up every
second to eat battery (non-Busybox ntpd does this!), requiring dynamic
linking, etc.
3. Non-criterion: the software doesn't have to be perfect or lack any
bloat problems itself; it just has to be better than the mainstream
solution in at least one way that might be significant to our users.
4. Not by Lennart Poettering. :-)
Does this sound reasonable?
> There's an existing "musl vs uClibc" page but we might want a
> sentence or two on "musl: obviously the best", "uClibc: tried really
> hard but buildroot squished it in 2005 and it never recovered".
> "dietlibc: widely mocked for not-a-but-thats-a-feature disease",
> "klibc: official libc of the postminimalist art movement".)
If such changes are going to be made, I think they should be done by
somebody who's not going to word them in that way... :-)
> "There's always room for dropbear". And polarssl, and so on.
cyassl looked promising too. I would probably mention tomcrypt too
even though it's not sufficient to do SSL; it has the most slim,
clean, portable implementations of crypto algorithms I've seen.
> I know we discussed more stuff (rxvt, xcfe and lxde...)
These are a bit more borderline, but I wouldn't call them
unacceptable.
Rich
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-23 1:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-04-21 16:30 LM
2013-04-21 20:17 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-21 20:24 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-24 11:39 ` LM
2013-04-25 19:30 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-21 23:26 ` Isaac Dunham
2013-04-22 14:53 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-22 15:21 ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-22 16:40 ` LM
2013-04-22 16:47 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-22 22:07 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-23 12:50 ` LM
2013-04-23 14:40 ` John Spencer
2013-04-23 14:58 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-22 19:31 ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-22 23:24 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-22 23:31 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-23 0:54 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-23 1:46 ` Rich Felker [this message]
2013-04-23 5:04 ` Isaac Dunham
2013-04-23 13:47 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-23 21:25 ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-23 21:50 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-04-24 2:37 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-24 4:43 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-04-24 13:37 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-24 0:50 ` idunham
2013-04-24 6:11 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-22 21:52 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-22 22:42 ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-22 23:06 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-23 0:26 ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-23 2:14 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-23 19:07 ` Strake
2013-04-23 19:24 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-23 21:33 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-04-24 12:12 ` Zvi Gilboa
2013-04-23 21:34 ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-24 11:18 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-24 11:48 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-04-24 12:32 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-24 13:38 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-24 13:55 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-24 13:37 ` go support (was: Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries?) John Spencer
2013-04-24 13:39 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-24 16:33 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-04-24 15:47 ` Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries? Szabolcs Nagy
2013-04-24 19:17 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-25 6:40 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-04-25 19:37 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-24 13:28 ` go support (was: Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries?) John Spencer
2013-04-24 13:42 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-24 14:06 ` Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries? Christian Neukirchen
2013-04-29 11:41 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-29 16:31 ` Go (was: [musl] Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries?) John Spencer
2013-04-29 16:44 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-23 0:31 ` Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries? Rob Landley
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