From: Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries?
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:37:39 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130424023739.GC20323@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130423215023.GA34795@intma.in>
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 05:50:23PM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 09:47:24AM -0400, Rich Felker wrote:
> >
> > 1. Choosing which network to connect to.
> > 2. Managing keys.
> > 3. Logic for what to do when signal is lost.
> > 4. Automating nonsense click-through agreements on public wifi.
> > ...
>
> wpa_supplicant can do 1., unless you mean choosing between ethernet and
> wifi. but it supports priority weighting on access points..
OK.
> 2. is pretty trivial since you can easily wpa_cli >> /etc/wpa.conf or
> similar. I've never been sure why typing 'dhclient eth0' is seen as
> more onerous than running a polling daemon to save you the trouble.
Because you don't have a keyboard, you have a 3-4" touchscreen. And
you want it to keep working as you move from place to place without
any interaction.
> Can you elucidate more on 3? if the signal is lost, wpa_supplicant
> rescans and connects to any configured network, or else sleeps and
> rescans later.
I'm not sure what the ideal behavior is, but I know all the existing
ones have bad behavior.
> 4. will never be solved satisfactorally, since that garbage is not
> predictable. the database of tedious TOS crap will never stop
> expanding.
Agree, but it still needs to be solved, even if the solution requires
frequent updates to be fully effective. With decent heuristics though
I think it could be fully automated for most sites with just a few
exceptions for really weird ones..
> > 4. Minimal or no auto-click-through; even when it does work, you can
> > get burned if your web browser happens to attempt a load before it
> > succeeds. A correct one needs to encapsulate the connection somehow so
> > that no connection is exposed to the user at all until the
> > click-through succeeds.
>
> There are lots of useful things that can be done with this concept of an
> encapsulated connection. I get burned by this on my work laptop, which
> likes to spam VPN connection attempts back to corporate.
Agreed. I think really most users should _always_ be running in an
environment where only root sees the real network interfaces and
applications just see a virtual network routed through the real one.
Rich
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-24 2:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-04-21 16:30 LM
2013-04-21 20:17 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-21 20:24 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-24 11:39 ` LM
2013-04-25 19:30 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-21 23:26 ` Isaac Dunham
2013-04-22 14:53 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-22 15:21 ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-22 16:40 ` LM
2013-04-22 16:47 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-22 22:07 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-23 12:50 ` LM
2013-04-23 14:40 ` John Spencer
2013-04-23 14:58 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-22 19:31 ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-22 23:24 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-22 23:31 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-23 0:54 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-23 1:46 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-23 5:04 ` Isaac Dunham
2013-04-23 13:47 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-23 21:25 ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-23 21:50 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-04-24 2:37 ` Rich Felker [this message]
2013-04-24 4:43 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-04-24 13:37 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-24 0:50 ` idunham
2013-04-24 6:11 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-22 21:52 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-22 22:42 ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-22 23:06 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-23 0:26 ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-23 2:14 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-23 19:07 ` Strake
2013-04-23 19:24 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-23 21:33 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-04-24 12:12 ` Zvi Gilboa
2013-04-23 21:34 ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-24 11:18 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-24 11:48 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-04-24 12:32 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-24 13:38 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-24 13:55 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-24 13:37 ` go support (was: Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries?) John Spencer
2013-04-24 13:39 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-24 16:33 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-04-24 15:47 ` Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries? Szabolcs Nagy
2013-04-24 19:17 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-25 6:40 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-04-25 19:37 ` Rob Landley
2013-04-24 13:28 ` go support (was: Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries?) John Spencer
2013-04-24 13:42 ` Rich Felker
2013-04-24 14:06 ` Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries? Christian Neukirchen
2013-04-29 11:41 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-29 16:31 ` Go (was: [musl] Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries?) John Spencer
2013-04-29 16:44 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-23 0:31 ` Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries? Rob Landley
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