From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/3171 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kurt H Maier Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Best place to discuss other lightweight libraries? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 00:43:06 -0400 Message-ID: <20130424044306.GA68573@intma.in> References: <20130422233110.GU20323@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <1366678495.18069.154@driftwood> <20130423014639.GW20323@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20130422220430.53d0b1a5.idunham@lavabit.com> <20130423134724.GY20323@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20130423215023.GA34795@intma.in> <20130424023739.GC20323@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366778595 4922 80.91.229.3 (24 Apr 2013 04:43:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 04:43:15 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-3175-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Wed Apr 24 06:43:20 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UUrY7-0006gO-HQ for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:43:19 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 17448 invoked by uid 550); 24 Apr 2013 04:43:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 17435 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2013 04:43:18 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130424023739.GC20323@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:3171 Archived-At: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:37:39PM -0400, Rich Felker wrote: > > Because you don't have a keyboard, you have a 3-4" touchscreen. And > you want it to keep working as you move from place to place without > any interaction. > If you don't have a keyboard, you likely also don't have physical ethernet via rj-45, and even if you do, there's no reason to spam wakeups checking if it's plugged in. touch-only devices have touch-only interfaces, which can easily include a 'switch to wired' button instead of a daemon eating your battery. setting physical links aside, wpa_supplicant can manage roaming fine. I should clarify that I think wpa_supplicant could do with a massive wrecking ball, but it has a lot of good functionality that obviates a ton of overengineered networkmanager-type software. The trick will be removing the garbage or implementing the good stuff in a slightly less horrendous fashion. In fact, I'm firmly of the opinion that complete signal loss is the *only* time a system should monkey with the network; one of my least favorite things is my phone aggressively dropping 3G so it can switch to wifi, dumping my ssh sessions and filesystem mounts in the process. > Agree, but it still needs to be solved, even if the solution requires > frequent updates to be fully effective. With decent heuristics though > I think it could be fully automated for most sites with just a few > exceptions for really weird ones.. I think the ideal solution is for network administrators to stop pretending hijacking sessions is acceptable, but until an automated solution exists I enjoy all the hate they get from users. > Agreed. I think really most users should _always_ be running in an > environment where only root sees the real network interfaces and > applications just see a virtual network routed through the real one. This doesn't necessarily solve anything from the user's standpoint unless he's trained to use the feature appropriately, but it would enable system designers to get uncomfortably clever in ways that can make system behavior damn hard to predict. Having said that, there is software available on plan 9 called aan - 'any available network' - that works this way and can be very useful. khm