From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/3572 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Isaac Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Proposed roadmap to 1.0 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 13:30:54 -0700 Message-ID: <20130707203054.GB16460@newbook> References: <20130629235041.GA5046@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20130630052045.GB1368@newbook> <20130630053408.GP29800@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20130630064248.GC1368@newbook> <1372961410.6645.4@driftwood> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373229068 4791 80.91.229.3 (7 Jul 2013 20:31:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 20:31:08 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-3576-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Sun Jul 07 22:31:11 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Uvvby-0005tL-TU for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 22:31:10 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 3275 invoked by uid 550); 7 Jul 2013 20:31:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 3261 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2013 20:31:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lavabit; d=lavabit.com; b=fHSix3XGhpoO0tWNT2lNv9U6NOEdRSZMSnb3UmcykpXNgqEc3zcDjJr+QeEklH3v5SZeaf0uQtnLHOZPcwHnZwtCCM6VnCj/Hbbmc2s2HrlGx3d/90K1ive9buVW4/qOxtJjbikIGu7H/lx12+bwY5nfrW2xdyPmYeT/lq0bs+Y=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1372961410.6645.4@driftwood> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:3572 Archived-At: On Thu, Jul 04, 2013 at 01:10:10PM -0500, Rob Landley wrote: > On 06/30/2013 01:42:48 AM, Isaac wrote: > >On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 01:34:09AM -0400, Rich Felker wrote: > >> > m32r is live, but I'm not aware of much interest. > >> > tilera and epiphany (the Parallela coprocessor) sound interesting, > >> > but are likely to be limited in availability. > >> > >> Not familiar with them, but my guess would be they're > >interesting. In > > > >Tilera Tile: > >http://www.tilera.com/products/processors > >In brief, it's a 64-bit processor that comes with up to 100 cores > >per cpu > >(last I checked), topping out around 1.6 GHz. Linux is the only OS. > > > >Epiphany: > >http://www.adapteva.com/introduction/ > >Used in this project: > >http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone/ > >In short, a multicore 32-bit risc cpu currently only used as a > >coprocessor. > >Not really a candidate for a port, but if it ever does get a full > >Linux, > >it might be interesting. > > I'm still trying to fluff out > http://landley.net/aboriginal/architectures.html and even if I don't > describe half the Linux architectures I interrogated git to get a > list of when each one was added. Might be useful. > > >> embedded, everything has niche uses. On the high-end server side, on > >> the other hand, anything but x86_64 (for straight power) or ARM (for > >> cutting the primary cost of a data center: electricity) is > >madness. In > >> other words, I think there's a lot more value in supporting > >diversity > >> on the embedded side than on the enterprise side. > > > >Power has a bit of the enterprise, too; it's got lower power usage (vs > >x86, no comparisons with ARM I'm aware of), and currently holds the > >highest clock speed of any stock cpu. > > Half the game consoles out there are Power. (Dunno about the current > generation.) Back when Praystation 3 supported Linux built-in, it > was the cheapest way to get a 64 bit PPC system with the Cell > processor stuff. (Which alas never took off because it was way too Last generation was entirely Power (XBox and PS3 were Cell, Nintendo was PPC, I forget who else was relevant), but next generation XBox and PS4 are AMD (64bit x86). Thanks, Isaac Dunham